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« on: June 16, 2007, 07:48:04 PM »

It seems there's lots of good out of town teams this year giving the local teams a run for their money. The Comp finals will be interesting.

Some unranked out-of-town mixed teams were strong in the seating races such as Air Canada Jetstart from Toronto, Topmade Fusion from Calgary, Precision Impossible from Victoria and DCH from New York. Some comp teams ended up in rec and some rec teams are in comp. The split between comp and rec is a mess.

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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2007, 07:52:27 PM »

So... whats new!

I just want to know ....Is the race grid out for Sunday!
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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2007, 08:25:29 PM »

The grid is posted on ADBF.  Interesting, looks like some 'A' final teams will end up in Comp B due to the new style race grid.  Wonder who's brilliant idea that was???
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2007, 08:57:03 PM »

You can find the aforementioned Race grid here

I do agree that this new advancement format seems rather odd... It doesn't really give a team much room for errors. For example, Team Ruckus had a horrible first race and now they're racing with the Novices. Masters of D'Zone had a bad second race and now they have to race against FCRCC and Pac Reach to make it into the Comp A Finals.

Also, did any steers people notice some "strange" water in lanes 1,2 and 3 in the afternoon? There's been off-water discussions that the new little "island" on the south shore of False Creek may be affecting the way the water currents are behaving when the tide is changing. Apparently these "strange water currents" makes it a bit more hairy when steering through these waters than in the other lanes. Just some off water conversations that I overheard.
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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2007, 10:31:36 PM »

It would make sense that the new south shore would cause some tidal current changes.  In particular, it is not a gradual slope, but a sharp slope into the existing basin.  This would cause water current drag along the edge and refraction/reflection of waves; however, it would only be a factor in the early morning. Around noon, the tide was slack; therefore not cause any troubles.

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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2007, 10:37:19 PM »

I am curious to know if any other teams had their races affected by water taxi wake.
Our crew was in a couple of races in which we got bounced around quite nicely by the
wake of passing water taxis. What's up with that????
I would love to see the starter be a bit more aware of other boat traffic on the creek
ie don't start a race until all the boat wake has subsided.
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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2007, 10:46:49 PM »

 apparantly the person who designed the race grid is also a paddler with the masters ............ doh ! Doh!
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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2007, 10:48:46 PM »

Not possible to wait for traffic to stop before commencing the races.  There will always be traffic in one form or another.  To close off the east end of False Creek for two days would be very difficult, economically and politically.  Realistically, may I suggest you compare it to the Victoria Dragon Boat Festival, where a 110 vehicle ferry comes into the race course with sea planes zipping in and out.
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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2007, 11:08:08 PM »

pictures of LIQUID SUNSHINE

By a Hair (CBC Wavecatchers (2) take Team Storm (3) with Synergy Gunshow (7) in background)


Finish of a race


Backswipe


Don't we look like pros


Head Count


Single File Please


Race Officials


Real Hair Dedication (Flying Dragons)


Do I really have to warm up? (Riptide)


Happy to be finished


ssSteamed Heat


False Creek


BAD (Bay Area Dragons)


Huh?


Rain Rain Go Away (Sakeccino)


Out of Towners (DCH Dragon Boat Club - New York)



He Man (Swordfish)


Reach for the Sky (TD Lightning)


Xtreme Stare (Xtreme Reach)


Navy Dragon Anchors in disguise


Lost? (Flying Dragons)


How wet was it, really?


The Spirit of Alcan


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« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2007, 12:40:37 AM »

apparantly the person who designed the race grid is also a paddler with the masters ............ doh ! Doh!

I actually don't have any major problems with the race grid. Just that it's pretty different than previous years where you can screw up short of finishing last and still have a chance to do well. It's not so forgiving this year. It makes every race count so those teams that aren't ready in the mornings are pretty much out of luck. Then again, that's why they call this racing and why everyone has practices.

What I didn't bring up was the seedings for the races. With the race grids, they designed around the seedings of the teams entered so that they finish roughly where the teams should be (a team that's ranked top spot, should come close to the top spot and a team seeded 50 should come around that level). The race grids are built around advancements to achieve a result close to the seedings. Now, if the rankers don't seed a team properly, then the race grid would be drastically affected by this. Alcan's probably the only festival that asks for paddler feedback regarding rankings of teams from the community. The organizers don't really have the bandwidth to rank each and every team that enters this festival to allow for perfect seeding and advancements. If we really have problems with how some teams were ranked, some of the onus should fall on us as a community for not answering that call when they put that request for rankers. If you didn't submit a ranking to alcanranker, then you shouldn't be complaining about the seeding.. and by extension the grid itself.

I honestly think that no matter what they do, they won't please everyone, especially with over 100 team's advancements to take account for.

Anyways, good racing today everyone and good luck to you all tomorrow.
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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2007, 06:23:30 AM »

LOL I just hate stroking in the Gemini boats.  That damn drum is up in my face...
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« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2007, 08:06:54 PM »

What gives? This was the most frustrating Alcan ever....race grid...delays on the water...it used to run so well.

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« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2007, 08:13:30 PM »

I agree, not to mention the amount of boats crashing into one another! I mean the drift was bad but there were a lot of sloppy mistakes. Very frusterating for sure.
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« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2007, 09:18:06 PM »

i thought it was ok actually.... didnt have a problem with anything except the guts and glory not starting until 7pm.   
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« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2007, 10:07:26 PM »

Some unofficial results from Sunday.

Cathay Pacific Competitive A Championship
Please send PM if you have COMP A results.
1. 1:56.060 FCRCC A
2. 2:00.880 Gorging Dragons
3. 2:01.300 Portland Paddling Club
4. FCRCC B
5. Masters of DZone
6. W3Media.com
7. Pemberton Bald Eagles (2 second time penalty)
8. DCH New York

Gaia Competitive B Championship - Gemini
1. 2:06.640 Pacific Reach
2. 2:10.220 Dragonauts
3. 2:10.260 Laoyam Eagles (Adult Division)
4. 2:10.670 Sudden Impact
5. 2:11.090 Air Canada Jetstart
6. 2:11.170 Lotus Sports Club Mixed
7. 2:12.840 Edgewater DWW
8. 2:13.430 RGL

Red Rain Competitive C Championship - BUK
1. 2:05.500 Los Angeles Racing Dragons - Black
2. 2:06.330 San Francisco BAD Dragons 1
3. 2:06.400 VO2 Max
4. 2:07.910 Synergy Legacy
5. 2:08.980 Wasabi Mixed
6. 2:09.880 Precision Impossible
7. 2:10.360 Fresh Off the Dragonboat
8. 2:13.400 Blu By U - Nanaimo

Granville Island Brewing Competitive D Championship - Gemini
1. 2:10.290 Calgary Race Club
2. 2:13.880 Swordfish
3. 2:15.360 Pacific Reach 2
4. 2:15.770 Topmade Fusion
5. 2:16.270 Killer Guppies
6. 2:16.600 Scotiabank Dragons
7. 2:17.390 TCC Dragoneers
8. 2:21.390 Los Angeles Racing Dragons - Red

Edgewater Recreational A Championship - BUK
1. 2:10.980 Just Dragon Along
2. 2:11.330 Eye of the Dragon
3. 2:12.880 XTREME REACH
4. 2:13.220 Finding BMO
5. 2:14.020 Absolute Sake Shaken
6. 2:14.330 ssSteam Heat
7. 2:15.400 Team Lifescan
8. 2:15.460 AeroDragons

Concord Pacific Recreational B Championships - BuK
1. 2:11.12 SuperSlim Phat Phising Racing
2. 2:13.90 Team Storm
3. 2:13.94 Concord Pacific Flying Dragons
4. 2:15.12 PCL Centurions
5. 2:15.26 RaceFace
6. 2:16.77 Shibumi
7. 2:17.36 Synergy Gunshow
8. 2:18.98 Team Vortex

24 Hours Recreational D Championship - BUK
1. 2:27.120 Scaly Justice
2. 2:27.490 CNS Insurance RRRamming Speed
3. 2:28.180 Dragon's Breath
4. 2:30.920 Pirates
5. 2:31.910 Ritchie Bros. Auctionauts
6. 2:33.110 Apalala
7. 2:34.150 The Strength Within
8. 2:34.700 UA Power Dragons

Novice A Championship - BUK

1. 2:10.950 SunDragons
2. 2:15.710 Anniemaniacs
3. 2:17.150 Team Ruckus
4. 2:23.190 Gift of Life
5. 2:28.010 CC Dragons
6. 2:28.160 Northern Spirit
7. 2:29.980 Business Objects
8. 2:31.220 O2P

Novice B Championship - BUK

1. 2:37.940 Draggin' Riders
2. 2:40.150 Conquering Waves
3. 2:42.730 Richmond Centre Dragoneers
4. 2:45.210 The Eh Team
5. 2:53.660 Nothin' Dragon Sr. Challengers
6. 3:07.650 Off Balance

Scotiabank Breast Cancer Trophy Race - Gemini
1. 2:38.660 Wasabi Team SOAR
2. 2:42.660 Abreast in the Cove
3. 2:51.450 Abreast with FORT-itude
4. 2:56.160 Abreast - Deas Divas
5. 2:57.240 Abreast in Barnet
6. 3:00.180 Sunshine Dragons Abreast
7. 3:05.240 Abreast on the Creek
8. 3:22.300 Abreast - Staying Abreast

Rogers Junior A Championship - BUK
1. 2:05.230 Laoyam Eagles
2. 2:05.570 Lincoln Mustangs
3. 2:10.090 Wasabi Kraken
4. 2:12.190 Eric Hamber Eternal Dragons
5. 2:13.290 Laoyam Falcons
6. 2:16.150 Synergy Adelicious
7. 2:16.740 Aquarockets

General Motors Open Division Championship - BUK
1. 1:56.980 AMPCO GRAFIX - FCRCC A
2. 1:57.920 Outrigger Ohana
3. 1:58.060 Portland Paddling Club
4. 2:02.120 AMPCO GRAFIX - FCRCC B
5. 2:02.950 Laoyam Raptors
6. 2:03.470 HKDBF-NY/DCH NSX
7. 2:04.120 Pacific Reach
8. 2:09.360 Wet and Woozy

W3Media Womens Championship - BUK
1. 2:11.090 False Creek Women
2. 2:15.110 Wasabi Team Huge
3. 2:15.810 Wasabi POWERSurge
4. 2:15.950 Wet and Wonderful
5. 2:18.460 Dragon Ladies
6. 2:27.150 Northern Spirit
7. 2:27.170 Long Beach Women

Guts and Glory - Gemini
1. Calgary Race Club
2. Air Canada Jetstart
3. Dragonauts
4. Sudden Impact
5. Edgewater Casino's DWW
6. Los Angeles Racing Dragons Black
7. RGL

Guts and Glory - BUK
1. AMPCO GRAFIX - FCRCC Mixed A
2. Pemberton Bald Eagles
3. Master of D'Zone
4. AMPCO GRAFIX - FCRCC Mixed B
5. Pacific Reach
6. W3Media.com
7. HKDBF-NY/DCH NSX
8. Portland Paddling Club

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