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[Luke]

I'm putting off learning C1 until after September, so the K1 will have to do. 

bad idea, treat your boys nicer or they'll give out on you,

DCH did better than most thought they would. I saw the A final and it didn't look like the high-kneel helped them, it actually slowed their boat down quite a bit. I would guess they lost 2-3 secs.  They are going to Asia either this year or the following year.

This was the first time they practiced the high-kneel in a competition.  I believe they are preparing for an HK race coming up.

so...high kneel style is legal in Alcan now?

[bolshevik]

no luke its not, they got a dq, it was only for them to practice the style.
Colussus I COMPLETELY AGREE with having the womens g&G on saturday, maybe then they can race in BUK's instead of firewood.

[Colossus]

hey Puppy.......... 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsS4D5RekqE

I think this individual post should be made a "puppy tribute" sticky.  over 180 views so far. 

[harshness]

Results are posted now.

[Garbage Miles]

Teams are not allowed to do high kneel for Alcan.  In this case, an exception was made because DCH wanted to prepare for Asia.  They got permission from Water's Edge, and notified all other comp A teams.  I guess since they were in an outside lane, nobody really minded.  If you look at the results, DCH was ranked as 'DNQ - Did not qualify' and they did not have a final time.

so...high kneel style is legal in Alcan now?

[mablah]

Alright, I have a burning question to ask and was just wondering if I could get an opinion...

My team was in Lane 7 in the finals and doing pretty well when out of nowhere boat 8 physically hits us (as I've heard has happened a lot throughout the day), but it didn't stop there. We were pushed into lane 6 where we hit boat 6, got back on track and again boat 8 cut across our lane, broke off our dragonhead, cut across lanes 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, went in between boats 1 and 2 and finished the race. They were told to hold their boat many-a-time but kept going. My question is: why was there no restart to the race/ boat 8 not disqualified? More than one boat was affected in this case, and I saw restarts in races that had problems that weren't as bad as ours. Comments?

[StraightLine]

Restarts will generally only be called if something happens within the first 50m of the race - the festival rules spells out the conditions for a restart.  This happened to one of the teams I was steering.  Boat 3 turned into boat 4 almost immediately after the start and broke the head of one of the new BuKs.  Since it happened within the first 50m, the race was called and restarted.

I believe the incident you're referring to occurred during the Rec A Consolation race?  I was drumming in lane 4 and saw some of the collision(s).  I'm pretty sure it occurred after the first set of buoys which is past 50m, so no restart was called.  I could hear the repeated calls for boat 8 to hold and at the very least I think the steers person should be banned from future Water's Edge events because he/she was completely ignoring the water marshals instructions.

StraightLine

[kleeq]

Yeah, lets say I saw that happy in the Rec A consolation. Was shocked to something that extreme by Boat 8 and yet they don't hold their boat. Can't believe organizers wouldn't see that and have another race.

[BernMan]

Alright, I have a burning question to ask and was just wondering if I could get an opinion...

My team was in Lane 7 in the finals and doing pretty well when out of nowhere boat 8 physically hits us (as I've heard has happened a lot throughout the day), but it didn't stop there. We were pushed into lane 6 where we hit boat 6, got back on track and again boat 8 cut across our lane, broke off our dragonhead, cut across lanes 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, went in between boats 1 and 2 and finished the race. They were told to hold their boat many-a-time but kept going. My question is: why was there no restart to the race/ boat 8 not disqualified? More than one boat was affected in this case, and I saw restarts in races that had problems that weren't as bad as ours. Comments?

Just as Straightline explained (he should be an official man!) that incident in question did occur after the point of no return, or the 50m mark. However I for the life of me can't understand why that team's captain or drummer didn't call the crew to stop paddling rather than go all the way down the course all over the place! I was at the finish line when that incident occured and I could hear it from my position that it was repeatedly asked to hold the boat but yet it did not. I think whoever that was should be severely dealt with. I did not realize that it ended up coming into contact with another boat causing damage. I think that crew should consider coming forward and offering to pay for the damaged tail or head. Just my opinion of course but really with all the damage that occured this past weekend you would think crews would treat the boats assigned to them as one of their own!

[glowing_ice]

hmm... team imbalance's race heat was severely screwed up.  i was watching from the shoreline as the collisions happened.  perhaps the 50m rule is more strictly enforced this year? 

last year i remember in the comp B finals, Scotia's dragon head fell off on the start and dragged through the water for the duration of the race.  they never signal to stop the race or indicate there was a problem.  in the end all teams paddled to the finish line... only to find out Scotia contested it after getting off the docks.  all teams in the comp b final had to redo the entire race... bleh!

so with that said technically speaking perhaps you guys could have contested it for a re-race.  just some food for thought for future races.

[mablah]

Hmm, interesting. Yes, the hit happened JUST before we hit the first set of buoys or so. That's rather unfortunate seeing as how we were doing so well.

I believe the incident you're referring to occurred during the Rec A Consolation race?

Yeah, that was us alright. As for the steersperson being banned, apparently he was laughing throughout the whole fiasco, thus I wholeheartedly agree; it was very unsportsmanlike!

I remember the Comp B final re-race last year as well; by the time they called a re-race, 1/2 the teams from Comp B had already left (which is why I thought they might re-race us on the spot), but after we protested for a re-race, the only consolation we got was that boat 8 got a time penalty- hardly a consolation at all.

hmm... team imbalance's race heat was severely screwed up.

contrary to the tip of the tongue, we're Team INbanlance, not IMbalance.

[glowing_ice]

contrary to the tip of the tongue, we're Team INbanlance, not IMbalance.

  doh! my bad! 

[drachenboot]

Anyone know how many boats were damaged in the course of the festival?

[GOON]

Restarts will generally only be called if something happens within the first 50m of the race - the festival rules spells out the conditions for a restart.  This happened to one of the teams I was steering.  Boat 3 turned into boat 4 almost immediately after the start and broke the head of one of the new BuKs.  Since it happened within the first 50m, the race was called and restarted.

I believe the incident you're referring to occurred during the Rec A Consolation race?  I was drumming in lane 4 and saw some of the collision(s).  I'm pretty sure it occurred after the first set of buoys which is past 50m, so no restart was called.  I could hear the repeated calls for boat 8 to hold and at the very least I think the steers person should be banned from future Water's Edge events because he/she was completely ignoring the water marshals instructions.

StraightLine

FYI, re-races after the "point of no return" are allowed at the discretion of the race referees.  This is from the official rules and regulations:

From Section 9:

9.1.4 If, in the opinion of a Race Referee, an outside boat interferes with a boat racing on course and this interference would affect the standings in the race, the Race Referee can order the race to be rerun.
9.1.5 It shall be considered a Foul when, after the race has commenced, any competitor by his paddle, boat or person comes in contact with the paddle, boat or person of another competitor; or deliberately steers into another boat -- whether such boat is or is not on its correct course and lane -- unless such contact is so slight as to not interfere with the race, in the Referee's estimation. Note: close proximity to another boat is not a foul (i.e., if they are perceived to be in your “lane�.)
9.1.6 In the event of a Foul or an impending collision or any other infraction of the rules during a race, a Race Referee shall be empowered to:
(a) instruct crews to stop paddling; continuation of the race and resumption of paddling by the affected crews will be at the discretion of the Referee; this option may be used in the event of an impending collision, for example
(b) penalize the offending team(s) with a time penalty that can be added to their heat time or added to their next heat
(c) disqualify the offending team(s) -- in which case the crews must cease paddling and not complete the race – yet allow the rest of the race to continue uninterrupted at his or her discretion in spite of the disqualification
(d) stop the race and, at his or her discretion, disqualify the offending crew; teams other than any which have been disqualified shall then be directed back to the Start Line to start the race over

From Section 10:

10.3 Re-Race Rules
10.3.1 At the Official’s discretion, a re-race may be ordered when:
(a) There is a False Start called by the Starter, or
(b) There is clearly a collision within the first 50 meters of the race, or
(c) There is equipment breakage, other than paddle, within the first 50 meters of the race
There will absolutely be no grounds for re-races once all boats have passed the 50 meter mark, except one that is initiated by Officials under extraordinary circumstances.


Note the words "extraordinary circumstances".  Everyone should read and understand the rules before racing.  Just my $0.02.

[Aquaman]

There will absolutely be no grounds for re-races once all boats have passed the 50 meter mark, except one that is initiated by Officials under extraordinary circumstances.
Note the words "extraordinary circumstances". 

When you have to run 106 races in 2 days, it is safe to say that "extraordinary circumstances" would be limited to meteorites striking boats, or the Science World ball rolling into False Creek...