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Since everyone's been dying to see when and who they are racing this weekend, we managed to get our hands on the race grid this afternoon.

If you have a PDF reader, you can see it here.

Teams should probably check their website for the latest race grid in case there's any revisions or corrections.

*REVISED to direct to Version 3 - June 19, 2009*

[Mike]

Thanks!

[BernMan]

Anyone care to make predictions?

[paddlecwazy]

Is anyone aware on how rankings are being done for the Sunday Semi's?

It's pretty obvious that the 12 crews that win their opening race are straight into Comp A-C, but how are the rankings for the next 12 boats that qualify for Comp A-C done? 

Point system or time?

If it is a point system does anyone know what points are awarded for each placing.

Thanks.

PS. and yes, I did read the rules & regs on in RTADBF website and they don't answer my question.

[Mike]

In your opening heat, if you place anywhere from 2nd to 7th you will still be eligible to make the competitive division.  Then the top 12 ranked teams out of the 10 "qualifying" heats will advance back up to the competitive division.  According to the race grids this is going to be done by points then by time.  As to how the points are exactly distributed I'm not sure but clearly your finishing in your 1st and 2nd heat is taken into account.

[alcanranker]

Well in the advancements for the second set of races it indicates the following:

"Top 12 teams in Recreational Division (based on points then time) to Competitive
A/B/C semi finals; next 24 teams to Comp D/Rec A Semi Finals; next 36 teams to Rec B/C Semi
Finals; bottom 10 to Rec D/E Semi Finals"

It says based on points then time.  That to me answers your question, yes  ?

Is anyone aware on how rankings are being done for the Sunday Semi's?

It's pretty obvious that the 12 crews that win their opening race are straight into Comp A-C, but how are the rankings for the next 12 boats that qualify for Comp A-C done? 

Point system or time?

If it is a point system does anyone know what points are awarded for each placing.

Thanks.

PS. and yes, I did read the rules & regs on in RTADBF website and they don't answer my question.

[paddlecwazy]

Aaahhhh the fine print...

So, how does the point system work?  How many for 1st, 2nd & 3rd?

[alcanranker]

In your opening heat, if you place anywhere from 2nd to 7th you will still be eligible to make the competitive division.  Then the top 12 ranked teams out of the 10 "qualifying" heats will advance back up to the competitive division.  According to the race grids this is going to be done by points then by time.  As to how the points are exactly distributed I'm not sure but clearly your finishing in your 1st and 2nd heat is taken into account.

Same as every year but to clear it up, you earn points (in your first two races) based on your placement (1st receives 10 points, 2nd - 8 points, 3rd - 7 points, etc) .  If the number of points is the same as another team then times are looked at.  

The time is calculated as a differential from the average time in your heat (where the average is calculated by ignoring the fastest and slowest times in the race, adding the other times up and dividing by the number of boats).  Here is a simple example of the calculation:

 Placement      Time
      1st           1:00.0
      2nd          2:00.0
      3rd           3:00.0
      4th           4:00.0
      5th           5:00.0
      6th           6:00.0
      7th           7:00.0
      8th           8:00.0

We would ignore the 1st and 8th times and calculate the average from there, average time for a team in this race is (27 / 6 boats) = 4.50 minutes.  This means 2nd place is 2.5 minutes faster, 3rd is 1.5 minutes faster, etc than the average and 7th place is 2.5 minutes slower than the average.  The differential for each race is then added together to determine total time.  This is used in tie breaking situations only.

The reason differential is used because of the varying tides and thus you are being compared to how well you raced in your heat not against another race or another team (that raced 2 hours before you).  This basically means race as hard and fast as you can in each race as it can have an affect on where you end up.  Last year, there were some teams where the differential between making it into another division was .1 seconds.

Hope that helps.

AR

[paddlecwazy]

Thanks a ton !!!! 

[BernMan]

You ROCK AR! 

Thanks for clearly explaining what you do oh so well...

Good luck to all crews this coming weekend!

Predictions anyone? 

[Mike]

I have a question though, there are some heats with 8 boats and some with 7.  Would the point system apply the same throughout?  Seems advantageous for teams with 7 boats since getting last would yield more points than getting last in a heat with 8...

[alcanranker]

Would the point system apply the same throughout?  Seems advantageous for teams with 7 boats since getting last would yield more points than getting last in a heat with 8...

Points are the same if there are 3 boats or 8 boats, 1st receives 10points, 2nd receives 8 points, etc.  It is advantageous, speaking from experience not really, if you were 7th in the first heat and 8th in the second heat that would give you 3 + 2 points which is 5 points, that will probably place you in the Rec D/E semis, if you did 7th and another 7th then you end up with 6 points which will probably end up in the Rec D/E semis (maybe the Rec B/C semis but if you really only beat one team out of the first two races do you want to be in that semi?).  This is probably where that team should be, if they only beat one team in the first heat and cannot beat another team then they probably will end up in the division they should be in.

We do watch and if there is a problem (i.e. steering mechanism failure etc then the judges have the discretion to award or remove points to properly place a team in the "right" division, has not happened yet but it is possible).

AR

[renovation]

do we get points for gettings points?
if so, can we trade them in for a stuffed animals or perhaps more points?

Have awesome races everyone!!!
as usual it'll be exciting!

[alcanranker]

Only if your points are worth awarding points for if not we may have to take some points

[Garbage Miles]

Dragon Warriors and LA Racing Dragons Black are racing in the same first heat.  That will be fun to watch.

Any idea who Jetstart is bringing over?

I predict FCRCC Worlds for the win by 1 boat length.  Kai will be close behind in 2nd.  Rest of the pack will be scattered throughout.