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« on: June 10, 2009, 01:17:50 AM »

I just wanted to start a new thread dedicated to this.

It looks like the boats get dirty very quickly which causes them to be slower. For Alcan if some boats are going to be cleaned on June 11 and some June 13 and some June 18 then isn't that a problem?

Seeing as how 20 days in the water caused boats to be 10 seconds slower, how much slower will a boat be after 7 days or 10 days?

I hope all the boats will be cleaned on June 18.

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« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2009, 10:13:30 AM »

The potential boat slowing issue aside, having them cleaned all at once will probably be a logistical nightmare.
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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2009, 10:32:45 AM »

Indeedy!

Our team cleans the boats but as you can imagine, sometimes it's kinda hard getting everyone together on non-practice days. So, we usually cut our practices short and clean the boats afterwards. Scrubbing those things also take a lot longer than you might think... having them all cleaned on one single day would be a pretty gruesome task.

Anyone who wants to help is welcome to drop by though. We'll be at it again 8:30ish Thursday night and 12ish Saturday afternoon.
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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2009, 10:46:32 AM »

Often, I'm at the docks watching Red Fusion work their butts off to clean the boats for us (as fun as they make it seem) and they make sure they do a great job therefore have no time to clean all 12 boats at once! Also, Dragonzone lacks the sheer space to clean more than 3 boats at a time (Because of the OC-6's). And they need bodies to actually move the boats on and off the docks in the first place.

But for Alcan - an event with international recognition - perhaps Dragonzone could hire a few more teams and and use all 4 docks to clean the boats. That would be 3 boats each team, which is more doable than laying down the entire job on a single team. Mind you it will be hard getting the boats as clean, as fast as RF's job, but maybe they can help inspect them for standards!

On Tuesday and Wednesday nights during peak season, over 200+ people are loading on/off the boats at the same time anyway. Dragonzone docks don't sink!
It will still be hell with ~60+ people on the docks running around with dirty sponges but at least the boats will be a bit more fair this time around, and there will be far less headache that the Alcan coordinators have to deal with (reg. disputes etc.)

Just a thought from my humble self.
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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2009, 12:54:39 PM »

Mmm. For now, if the Gemini are all going to be cleaned on the same days, it's not as much issue as the one week difference between FCRCC BUKs and DZ BUKs' cleaning difference according to the posts in the other thread. Considering that BUKs are used in higher divisions where milliseconds make or break the race, that's going to be where most of the complaints will come from. :\ Can't it be at least coordinated so that both sides' BUKs get cleaned at the same day?
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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2009, 10:34:34 PM »

I agree. There could be several seconds difference if one boat is cleaned a week before the other and that's huge. I understand it's a lot of work to clean them on the same day, but that's what it'll take to make it fair. A week in False Creek East will add maybe 3 or 4 seconds on to the time. That's a boat length.

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Anyone that got the red Gemini had a faster boat. And madcap solved the problem (thanks madcap!). The Gemini’s were cleaned 3 weeks ago, all but the red one were put back in the water. The red one was left on the dock for a couple of weeks to check out the scratched bottom. The other boats were already collecting a thin film. I didn’t realize that a few weeks was enough time, but like madcap says, in the warm weather it doesn’t take long. A thin film is enough to make a big difference. Mystery solved.

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If you have ever cleaned a dragonboat that has been sitting in the False Creek waters for three weeks of solid sunshine and red tides, there is more than a "film" on the bottom. Try barnacles, and strange funny sand dollar looking creatures. Olde One can elaborate on the gunk and corruption collected on dragonboats in False Creek, as his team (Grandragons)has been doing this for ten years

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With the hot weather we have had over the last three weeks, the growth on the Geminis (and the BUK's) will grow very fast.

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the red Gemini in Lane 2 was about 10 seconds faster than the others in the regatta

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The 3 FCRCC BuKs will be cleaned on June 18 by the Grandragons. They were last cleaned on the Thursday before the Regatta.

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Red Fusion will be cleaning the boats over the next week. The BuKs will be tackled before the weekend, while the Gems will be handled on Saturday afternoon.

I don't mean to sound ungrateful Red Fusion, but cleaning them this week and this weekend is still 7 to 10 days away from racing and that's going to be unfair if other boats were cleaned 2 days before. I don't think many people realized this fact until this past regatta. Now we know better. Sorry, I'm sure the logistics are difficult, but it's a reality.
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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2009, 11:07:18 PM »

Anything we can do to help?
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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2009, 11:16:28 PM »

Dragon Zone has instructed Red Fusion to clean all boats before Wednesday, June 17. It will not be possible to clean the BuKs immediately prior to race weekend. It is their decision and not ours.

With that in mind, we will leave the BuKs until Tuesday evening.
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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2009, 12:21:40 PM »

Deedub,

I spoke to Sylvia. Our team will very willingly volunteer our time this weekend.

Fusions help each other out Wink See you on Saturday!
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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2009, 12:17:53 AM »

Boat cleaning on Saturdays only?

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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2009, 01:06:35 AM »

All Geminis at Dragon Zone were cleaned on Saturday afternoon.
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« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2009, 09:30:40 AM »

Thanks again to Banana Fusion for their help!

You guys had fun doodie-scraping, right? Right?

Yeeeeeah, you know you did Wink
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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2009, 12:49:18 PM »

Thanks ...Kudos to banana fusion and red fusion!
That's really cool of your team to volunteer your time to DZ.



How often does DZ clean boats?

I figured DZ might need a few extra helpers for the next clean up.
How can we help next time?
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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2009, 11:02:27 PM »

Yeah no problem! It was advantageous to us as well.

a boat of starving students who always have to worry about where their next meal is coming from... well that 6-16 was a seafood buffet! What better place to find a meal than on the underside of a Dragonzone boat?

Delicious.





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« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2009, 11:44:35 PM »

Yum!  I'll have seconds! Laughing
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