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[Dumber]

That's just great! 

So some people get to practice in the BUKs while the rest of us ride it out in the ol' GENS or the 6-16's. 

Shades of old when they first bought in the GENS...we had to slug it out with sore backs (so, how does this works again?) so the King Pins could get their practice in for the medals and their pics in the Sun.

Duck people, we're canon fodder again!

[Colossus]

Shades of old when they first bought in the GENS...we had to slug it out with sore backs (so, how does this works again?) so the King Pins could get their practice in for the medals and their pics in the Sun.

Duck people, we're canon fodder again!

what the hell are you going on about?     and they're "Gem's", not "Gen's", as in Gemini.

[glowing_ice]

That's just great! 

So some people get to practice in the BUKs while the rest of us ride it out in the ol' GENS or the 6-16's. 

Shades of old when they first bought in the GENS...we had to slug it out with sore backs (so, how does this works again?) so the King Pins could get their practice in for the medals and their pics in the Sun.

Duck people, we're canon fodder again!

seriously buddy, i dunno what you're ranting about.  BUK, 6-16 or Gems... what difference does it make?  just practice hard and your team will be able to beat anyone in any type of boat.  i bet you if you gave some of the top teams "barney" that they would still come up on top.

[DiggerPig]

That's just great! 

So some people get to practice in the BUKs while the rest of us ride it out in the ol' GENS or the 6-16's. 

Shades of old when they first bought in the GENS...we had to slug it out with sore backs (so, how does this works again?) so the King Pins could get their practice in for the medals and their pics in the Sun.

Duck people, we're canon fodder again!

If your that upset about not getting to practice on a BUK ... come rent ours.  It would mean that your team would have to come out to Cultus Lake.   As for the benefits of practicing in a BUK ... Yeah it's nice. 

It doesn't matter ... there are still a lot of good teams out there.  Looking forward to Alcan. 

[Dumber]

and they're "Gem's", not "Gen's", as in Gemini.

Sorry, could never call those boats "GEM"s

[Dumber]

seriously buddy, i dunno what you're ranting about.  BUK, 6-16 or Gems... what difference does it make?  just practice hard and your team will be able to beat anyone in any type of boat.  i bet you if you gave some of the top teams "barney" that they would still come up on top.

I doubt that given the rants that were posted on this site last year after the Richmond and Kelowna races...

[chuieXX]

^I agree, people will bitch and complain about everything. Especially the teams who have never practiced in a BUK before.

After the FCRCC regatta, my team loves the BUK's and I'm sure there's alot of others that love the room and the stability of them. The interesting part was the discussion about the steering piece of the BUK's before the race, and then a steering piece broke off on one of the BUK's causing the fleet of BUK's to be grounded and a subsequent long delay. I don't know if those BUK's were FCRCC or water's edge but let's hope the same thing won't happen at Alcan.

[Colossus]

it broke more due to steers error (and weight yanking on it in a way it was never designed to be yanked) than faulty equipment. 
delay there may have been, but the regatta ended on schedule, and thats really all that matters. =)

[Wet spot]

Here's the story with the BUK steering.

 When the 8 new BUK's were delivered they came with plastic bolts to attach the steering cross-arm to the bulkhead of the boat.  These plastic bolts were designed to break away and allow the cross arm to detach in case of extreme pressure on the arm, such as in a collision with another boat or at the dock...this would prevent damage to the fibreglass bulkhead.

It appears, however, that an experienced steersperson making a hard turn can put more torque on the bolts thanthe bolts can withstand... and goodbye steering.

At the Deep Cove races, and again at the FCRCC races these bolts failed under normal use - e.g. Harvey of Eye of the Dragon and Jason of TD Lightning are both very  experienced steerspeople and they both had the cross-arm breakaway - Harvey was just leaving the dock and ended up in the drink!

I beleive that Water's Edge replaced thier plastic bolts with brass and hopefully all the other BUKsto be used at Alcan will be corrected as well.

[madcap]

I was a witness to the breaking of the steering arm at the FCRCC regatta. It was a steersmans error, as he was backing up and got the steering oar sideways, putting a great amount of torque on the steering arm, which snapped the brass bolts right off and dumped the steersman into the water. Most of the damage to the FCRCC buk boats has been just the same as this. In backing up the boat, the steersman should not have the steering oar completely submerged and vertical. This is inviting the same situation as what happened in the regatta. FCRCC has now gone to stainless bolts with the deck of the boat reinforced with extra fiberglass to withstand any steersmans error.   

[Colossus]

^^^ agreed, as i said above.  whether or not you've steered before in 6-16s or the geminis, the BUK boats are a different beast.  I have no problems steering the 6-16s and Gems, but when i tried steering a BUK a couple of weeks ago, i very nearly went into the drink multiple times, and the boat most definately did NOT remain in a straight line.

[madcap]

Right on. What works in the 6-16, and the Geminis does not necessarily work on the buks. They are light, fast and delicate. We should treat them as such. They are as skittish as a thoroughbred should be.

[exerciser]

Does anyone know if Buks will be at Dragon Zone for paddlers and steerspersons to practice in?  Perhaps exposing the Buks to more teams can prevent some incidences.. i.e. increased chance of steersperson falling in the water, and collisions, etc.

[madcap]

The BUKs being used for the ALcan Festival are owned by Waters Edge. They will be rented out to Alcan (Dragon Zone) for the event. I could be wrong, but from what I understand, Dragon Zone will have only Geminis and 6/16s available for practice.

[DiggerPig]

I believe that Water's Edge replaced their plastic bolts with brass and hopefully all the other BUKs to be used at Alcan will be corrected as well.

Can anyone else confirm this?  I don't want to run out to the store and buy some brass bolts (what's the difference between brass and steel?) and find out it was a mistake.  The plastic bolts have broke off more than once with us and I was looking at something stronger to replace it with.

It is good to see we're not the only ones running into this problem.  The BUK itself is awesome but that steering cross arm!!!