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I heard Success won by riding False Creeks wash which shot them ahead near the finish, smart move appears it paid off .Success had been behind False creek & PR by at least 3 seconds and PR beat Success in the semi but in racing anything can happen as they say and it did .

 The question that came up during a protest was ...did Success finish in the correct lane ?

Sorry, but you heard wrong - seems that happens a lot

As someone who was in that race, I can assure you (and I've had people from SUCCESS, PAC REACH AND FCRCC MIXED all agree) that FC was NEVER ahead of SUCCESS at any time during that race (do you know the exact angle of the course?). I wouldn't hesitate to say that FC was never ahead of PR either. So say what you want about wash riding, but it didn't happen in that race - unless it was the other way around.

And as someone who talked to the race officials afterwards, there was never an official protest lodged about that race and SUCCESS was in the correct lane the entire time.

The truth is out there, but some people have more fun stirring the pot.

[Lethal Weapon]

What about lane 3 it was horrible, from what I rember result wise.

It wasn't the lane but the low riding boat that was in in it......
Ask Drunks Blue, VO2 Max and TD lightning.....what a PIG!
Barney has not left us yet......

[Rossifumi]

What was it specifically about this boat that made it a pig?

[Lethal Weapon]

I believe they were oldere boats that Vancouver (DZ) sold them and they have been re-Gel -coated and repaired (Duct tape is a nice touch!)
The excess weight seemd to affect the heavier teams  as if you watched them go out the lettereing on the Kelowna boat was more below the water than other boats when they were loaded. My novice team I coach sadi that when they were paddling Saturday when it was rough they told me they were riding really low in the water

[Sam]

As someone who was in that race, I can assure you (and I've had people from SUCCESS, PAC REACH AND FCRCC MIXED all agree) that FC was NEVER ahead of SUCCESS at any time during that race (do you know the exact angle of the course?). I wouldn't hesitate to say that FC was never ahead of PR either. So say what you want about wash riding, but it didn't happen in that race - unless it was the other way around.

Not so, as someone who was also in that race, I can assure you that in fact FC was ahead of both teams in that race.  They pulled out shortly after the start and maintained this until just before the finish when it appeared that there were a couple of near collisions.  Not sure what happened and who was at fault but something definatly happened that changed the course of the race. [/quote]

[turtle_turtle]

All this reminds me of the Richmond Festival debate on poor officiating.

Sam, oh Sam, do you have video or picture proof?  Not to sound condescending, but we're basing their "unfair win" on what we "heard" or "heard from someone who heard from someone..."

If the officials didn't see it, and if YOU didn't see it, from the appropriate angle of course, you really can't say anything about SUCCESS cheating their way to win.  You've got no legit proof.

This thread is about post race of kelowna, and we're centering it on SUCCESS... it's good to get it out in the open, but the idea that SUCCESS has won by unfair means should be dead now.  They've had their fair share of our time.  Let it rest.  And encourage something else about the post-race, people.

[Colossus]

i think the only way to really tell whats really going on in each race, is to have a video camera attatched to a helicopter flying above, and a video recording from the back.  for the fun of it, why not have someone recording from the finish line as well.

[Steamrollers Moaner]

i think the only way to really tell whats really going on in each race, is to have a video camera attatched to a helicopter flying above, and a video recording from the back.  for the fun of it, why not have someone recording from the finish line as well.

Right... people will somehow find a way to complain about how the wind from the helicopter's propellers will somehow assist certain lanes more than others.  

[Colossus]

i think the only way to really tell whats really going on in each race, is to have a video camera attatched to a helicopter flying above, and a video recording from the back.  for the fun of it, why not have someone recording from the finish line as well.

Right... people will somehow find a way to complain about how the wind from the helicopter's propellers will somehow assist certain lanes more than others.  

lol!  i guess you're right....       theres no pleasing the masses.  democracy doesn't work; lets institute a dragonboat dictatorship so that no one is allowed to complain.  

[tiger]

Some are wondering about if FCRCC was ahead.  Based on what I have seen in various videos floating around they were not ahead if at all.

Here are a couple of snapshots taken from a video camera.  The first one is a minute and 40 seconds into the race (i.e. 30 seconds from the finish line).  You can see lanes 2 through 6 in this shot, with 2 being the closest.  The second photo is taken 5 seconds later.  Clearly FCRCC is not ahead in either of these pics.  For the person who indicated that Success rode FCRCC wash, I think that is impossible to do if they are ahead but I am no engineer so if you can explain how then please do help all of us understand how they did.





This next one is to dispel the rumour that either Success or CIBC did not cross in their lanes.  It looks like they did on this pic.  I put an arrow on the buoy between the 2 boats so they clearly crossed in their lanes (i.e no interference).



There is a reason why the X-files ended, there is nothing out there so lets move it along to more productive chatter.

[ssleung]

Just wanted to thank everyone in the West for being so welcoming to us (esp. RGL United!)

Thanks for the great racing!  Hopefully we'll be back in the near future!

Steve
Tempest

[Rossifumi]

I believe they were oldere boats that Vancouver (DZ) sold them and they have been re-Gel -coated and repaired (Duct tape is a nice touch!)
The excess weight seemd to affect the heavier teams  as if you watched them go out the lettereing on the Kelowna boat was more below the water than other boats when they were loaded. My novice team I coach sadi that when they were paddling Saturday when it was rough they told me they were riding really low in the water

hmm.. well I don't know if that really would have mattered.  And a heavier team would make a boat sit pretty low in the water.  I don't like to blame the boats anyways.

[Lethal Weapon]

fair enough
Your team can take Barney (in what ever color it is now in kelowna) and we'll take another boat see if it makes a difference!
The same team that sat low in the water in the lane 3 boat was fine next day in lane 1's boat
NP, you can try telling some teams that boats (of the same make in the same event) don't make a difference and see how many agree with your theory

good luck!

[Rossifumi]

fair enough
The same team that sat low in the water in the lane 3 boat was fine next day in lane 1's boat

Well, sounds like you're speaking for those teams saying it's just the boats fault.  Did you coach all those teams, or did those coaches or teammates divulge full details of the race to you?

NP, you can try telling some teams that boats (of the same make in the same event) don't make a difference and see how many agree with your theory

I said nothing of the sort.  So you understand me, I'm just not into blaming the boats at all for poor races.  And to this date, I never have either.  Clean and bailed... good enough!  There's enough variables to think about without using Boat excuses as a crutch.

And yes, I've won & lost races in good ol' Barney before.

[Lethal Weapon]

yes ,i did and was on one of them!
NP
There are many factors regarding the boat but seeing you have been in Barney you understand that even when Barney was clean it still was a pig compared to the other boats
Sorry for misinterpeting your views!