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[Secret Weapon]

Just to refresh your memory and add a for instance (and no disrespect to Acme), but last year in the infamous 'lane 7' Acme placed 4th in the Platinum division, and they were less than have a second behind the top placers.  Now if you look at their Alcan placing and time that same year they were almost ten seconds behind these same teams.  Perhaps you could explain to me how the improved so vastly (and borrowing a few paddlers would not explain the difference).  Most teams peak at Alcan and have their fastest times.  Perhaps someone could contact Jing Du to explain currents, tides and fresh water differences.  BTW  where the hell is that Jing Du???

[tiger]

Look at last years results, there were 7 lanes.  Let's look at the finals (I believe Lane 7 was reserved for the slowest team in that heat looking at the advancements):

Lane 7 placing:

Paddlin on MT 2rd Silver B Final
Hex was 2nd in Silver A Final
Hot Sake 1st in Gold A Final
Team Masala 1st in Jade B Final
River Rats 2nd in Jade A final
X-Calibre 1st in Diamond B FInal
Roli 1st in Diamond A Final
Subaru 1st in Platinum B FInal
Acme 4th in Platinum A Final

See a pattern?

Bernman would you like to take back what you said.  Clearly looks like a lane advantage to me.  Some will say that the teams were even but I don't think so, looking at times and past performance.  How many people would have bet that some of these teams would beat some of the "best" teams around.   If the placings were true then I would have thought some merged teams would have been stronger this year.  Think about it, take the winner of one division and merge with an almost winner of the top division and what do you get, a Comp B team.  Doesn't make sense, that merged team should have placed higher if last year's results are to be believed.

AMO but I think there is a lane bias in Kelowna.

[BernMan]

I don't think I have to take anything back. There are obviously good points to support your take on what you say. I don't believe I was offending anyone by what I said. Or did I? I would think not. But anyway I think all the good strong teams will simply pull it together and do as best as they can and hopefully win. So if Success were to have a lousy semi but still made it in to the finals and were placed into lane 1 as opposed to lane 3, 4 or 5 don't you think they would still win? Or how about FCRCC? Same for them? Or any team that should be up there with the best of them? Like I said you do point out some pretty good points with respect to certain teams that on any given day would not even have a chance and yet are up there. But what I would like to think is that some teams do in fact improve over where they were in Vancouver. Some teams are already at their best probably at Vancouver and work at staying there while others do make some changes and tweak a little here and there and they end up improving. Its as if I were to say "damn forget about winning guys that other team has lane 7 and we got a hope in hell of beating them!" If I were to think that way then I have no right to be out there and race or coach. Like I said some teams do in fact improve and others who have gone as far up as they can either stay there or struggle to stay there. But again I do see what you say about teams such as ACME whom I would have said at one point in time that they didn't belong in the same division as the Roli's, The Pac Reaches, The Subaru's or the Successes. But after having known a good bunch of them over their last couple years of their existance I would say they improved as a whole. Trust me I have no favourites on that team and I am not sucking up to them. Besides a good chunk of them merged with Roli and everyone knows that. So ACME is no more. Good thing too 'cuz I thought the name was kinda bland! And I could see it now my buds from ACME are not going to let me live it down. But I sure loved their team uniforms. Very nice tight fitting ones at that! LOL

[Ducky]

I say Guido be hired as a moderator!

WOW....they pay on this site?

Ha ha ha....Synergy in the Top Ten.....I heard that will happen when they change colours.


Pacific Reach
Team Success
Subaru Legacy
CIBC False Creek Mixed
Tempest
Absolute
Subaru Outback
Sudden Impact - (Just saw the other post...they're outta here to be replaced....who to replace....who to replace.....)
Alpha (Red)
Scotiabank Dragons
VO2Max (replaces Sudden Impact down here though)

Scary....isn't it.....

Whats scary?

[aznbuttahfly]

So what was that about female support?

oh and RGL's gonna win 'cause they got my support my 2 cents of a prediction.

[paddleBOT]

STAY ON TOPIC!  New irrelevant posts will be deleted.

[Angus]

Bernman - Please stop using the d@mn bold all the time. It's a pain in the a$$ to read. Or maybe I should just stop reading your posts like many other people! (jk).

From what I heard, Tempest is a top 5 team from Toronto and the reason why they're coming to Kelowna is because they won free airfare. I'm not sure <how> they won this, whether by a random draw or by winning some sort of race.

[Guido]

Bernman - Please stop using the d@mn bold all the time. It's a pain in the a$$ to read. Or maybe I should just stop reading your posts like many other people! (jk).

no you're not......we're all with you Angus.

So....seems like we have a mixture of contingencies from across Canada.

We have the Island.
We have the Westcoast region teams(Vancouver, the Interior, Edmonton, Calgary).
We have the East(Tempest)

Should be interesting.

[willpower]

it should be interesting indeed... From what I predict, Tempest should do quite well as their stroke style is well-suited to Kelowna's fresh water (my best friend from Success paddled with them a few times out there).. as for taking the Platinum A though, I doubt it.. Sorry I don't keep up with the Comp teams to make a knowledgeable prediction... all I can say is good luck to everyone going, and get those bailers ready if you see a Synergy team bringing your boat back  

Not sure if there's even a debate about this, but I honestly believe that some teams don't reach their peak until Kelowna (my team has never done well at Alcan, but somehow manages to gel throughout the summer months)... As for teams that do well at Alcan and struggle to maintain their standings, I've never been on one of those teams, so I can't comment, though I wouldn't be surprised if some team does well at Alcan and gets lazy afterwards.. classic tortoise and hare

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...one more thing... what's with all the trash-talking/insult-throwing lately? I remember when this forum was just a bunch of paddling nuts who liked to share ideas and meet other paddling nuts... let's try to stay civil and keep the name-calling to a minimum

[Secret Weapon]

I'll debate ya Willpower.

Perhaps rec/novice teams peak in Kelowna but I would say almost all competitive teams peak at Alcan.  That is where the serious competition is.  Everyone looks forward to Kelowna to relax, party and paddle.  Is there any crew that is brining there full Alcan roster to Kelowna?  Few I would think.  Training usually does slack after the intense training leading into Alcan week.  People get back to their lives during the summer.  I relate most of what I've said to reflect competitve paddlers.  So in summation I'll have to disagree with you Willpower.

[DiggerPig]

I hate to give anyone kudos but ... Team Success is my pick (for what it's worth) to do damage at the top of the heap.  We definitely want another shot at them!  We've had great races against Alpha, Steam Heat, and Swordfish - look forward to battling it out on the water with all teams one more time this year.  


Sudden Impact Paddler 4 Life!

[Lethal Weapon]

The Fish are not going up to Kelowna as a team but have "slutted themselves out to many fine teams! Good luck to everyone and C U in the beer tent!

[Guido]

That's NOT the grid.  DOH....it's only the times of the first heats....where's the rest?

[paddleho]

That link's good for the whole race grid now. Hey look Ma, no 7th lane!

[ARMY]

I think that Kelowna is becoming more of a "funfest" for some teams. One last end of season party...with a bit of paddling. Some teams seek out the strongest paddlers from other teams that aren't going, dump half of their initial crew from the season and stack their boat for Kelowna. Others take who they can get this late in the year.

Not all teams go to Alcan and for some reason this festival becomes the sole indicator of whether or not a team is good. There are a lot of other festivals that both Island teams and mainland teams go to that show continued performance throughout the season against top teams from both the Island and the mainland. Why must the "Almighty Alcan" be the only festival that counts? It seems to me that if your team didn't go to Alcan then you are a brutal team because nobody bothers to check the standings for any other festivals.  

Island teams take note: If you don't go to Alcan....you don't count!