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[rightarm]

ouch!!

[LARDCore]

It's funny no one really mentioned Typhoon8,Trivium or Brasca sport in the CF paddle category.  Anyone used these before?

http://www.typhoon8.com/
http://www.triviumpaddles.com/
http://www.bracasportusa.com/products/bracsa_dragonboat.htm

a guy on my team nutted up and got a trivium.  it's very light - noticeably lighter than the burnwater blade i have AND it is adjustable.  our logo was put on the paddle - UNDER the paddle's glass finish and you can choose the color of the carbon fiber (for some reason he chose green).  some nice touches.

the only thing that i have reservations about is the tip - it's more blunt ("blunter"?) than the apex.  i haven't had a chance to paddle with it yet, but i would suspect the entries would not be as buttery as the burnwater.

[Viking Paddler]

My burnwater cuts H2O like a hot knife through butter.  I wouldn't trade it for the world, ... wait, ... let me rethink that last statement.  Anyhow I do like it.  Regarding adjustables, ... I've heard they have a tendancy of slipping and/or breaking.  I personally haven't seen this and had considered getting one before getting my burnwater.  Is this myth or fantasy?  I could only see the benefit of having such a paddle, as Colossus alluded to, if you plan on moving quite a bit between the back and the front of the boat.  For peace of mind I went fixed.  

[Viking Paddler]

and the new comer:

Chinook Diablo = http://www.poguesports.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=2-5-4&Category_Code=2-6&Product_Count=3
$129.99 CAD.  Sold at Pogue Sports.  Would love to get a reaction on this from anyone who has bought or used one.

One of our women paddlers took a Chinook out for a spin and broke it.  Now I must admit I wasn't there to witness this so several things may have happened:

1) There may have been a defect in that particular paddle.
2) This particular paddler is extremely strong (which may be the case) 
3) She liked it so much she decided to use it against the hull of the boat, or
4) The Chinook has a flaw in its design.

Given that it's a new comer I'd need to see more evidence of use before buying one.  It is a heavier paddle than the burnwater, but apparently it has a flexible shaft unlike the burn thus easier on the shoulders.  The jury is out with this paddler on this paddle.

[Martini]

and the new comer:

Chinook Diablo = http://www.poguesports.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=2-5-4&Category_Code=2-6&Product_Count=3
$129.99 CAD.  Sold at Pogue Sports.  Would love to get a reaction on this from anyone who has bought or used one.

One of our women paddlers took a Chinook out for a spin and broke it.  Now I must admit I wasn't there to witness this so several things may have happened:

1) There may have been a defect in that particular paddle.
2) This particular paddler is extremely strong (which may be the case) 
3) She liked it so much she decided to use it against the hull of the boat, or
4) The Chinook has a flaw in its design.

Given that it's a new comer I'd need to see more evidence of use before buying one.  It is a heavier paddle than the burnwater, but apparently it has a flexible shaft unlike the burn thus easier on the shoulders.  The jury is out with this paddler on this paddle.

One of our men broke TWO at Alcan, I'd be leary about these paddles. Haven't heard of anyway Burnwaters breaking.

[puppy]

I take the paddle back to the Calgary Rep that you bought it from....I would make him refund your money and buy you a new burnwater.....   But please don't tell him that I said that....

[Colossus]

My burnwater cuts H2O like a hot knife through butter.  I wouldn't trade it for the world, ... wait, ... let me rethink that last statement.  Anyhow I do like it.  Regarding adjustables, ... I've heard they have a tendancy of slipping and/or breaking.  I personally haven't seen this and had considered getting one before getting my burnwater.  Is this myth or fantasy?  I could only see the benefit of having such a paddle, as Colossus alluded to, if you plan on moving quite a bit between the back and the front of the boat.  For peace of mind I went fixed.  

the only problem with adjustables is if you don't maintain them properly and regularly (once a month or so).  in that case, you might have the screws sieze on you and you'll have to drill them out.  I just went through this problem the other day, because i didn't maintain it properly at all.     So i drilled the screws out, got new ones, and now i'm good to go with it being properly maintained this time around. 
as for the slipping, any paddle can slip on you.  or am i not fully understanding what you mean?
the tendancy of breaking is something that every company goes through for a small batch once in a while.  I haven't heard of Apex having problems for a few years now, Burnwater has the bubbling issue with some of its Reactor blades sold in the past year or so, the SRS has the handle/blade snapping problem.....   list goes on. 

[kenbo604]

and the new comer:

Chinook Diablo = http://www.poguesports.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=2-5-4&Category_Code=2-6&Product_Count=3
$129.99 CAD.  Sold at Pogue Sports.  Would love to get a reaction on this from anyone who has bought or used one.

One of our women paddlers took a Chinook out for a spin and broke it.  Now I must admit I wasn't there to witness this so several things may have happened:

1) There may have been a defect in that particular paddle.
2) This particular paddler is extremely strong (which may be the case) 
3) She liked it so much she decided to use it against the hull of the boat, or
4) The Chinook has a flaw in its design.

Given that it's a new comer I'd need to see more evidence of use before buying one.  It is a heavier paddle than the burnwater, but apparently it has a flexible shaft unlike the burn thus easier on the shoulders.  The jury is out with this paddler on this paddle.

One of our men broke TWO at Alcan, I'd be leary about these paddles. Haven't heard of anyway Burnwaters breaking.

Wow, breaking 2 is pretty intense AND unfortunate!  Any idea where the paddles broke? 

I did a group purchase of 9, and so far have heard nothing but good things.  Everyone's enjoyed it so far, and for the price I'd say it was a great buy. (109 + tax)  It is a little heavier than the burnwater, but personally I like the little bit of extra weight on it.

Also, I really really like the shaft as it provdes a great grip without any wax.

My 2 cents - I'll repost if I break mine.. hehe

[magicpaddler]

and the new comer:

Chinook Diablo = http://www.poguesports.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=2-5-4&Category_Code=2-6&Product_Count=3
$129.99 CAD.  Sold at Pogue Sports.  Would love to get a reaction on this from anyone who has bought or used one.

One of our women paddlers took a Chinook out for a spin and broke it.  Now I must admit I wasn't there to witness this so several things may have happened:

1) There may have been a defect in that particular paddle.
2) This particular paddler is extremely strong (which may be the case) 
3) She liked it so much she decided to use it against the hull of the boat, or
4) The Chinook has a flaw in its design.

Given that it's a new comer I'd need to see more evidence of use before buying one.  It is a heavier paddle than the burnwater, but apparently it has a flexible shaft unlike the burn thus easier on the shoulders.  The jury is out with this paddler on this paddle.

One of our men broke TWO at Alcan, I'd be leary about these paddles. Haven't heard of anyway Burnwaters breaking.

The paddle in question was a demo paddle that had been bounced around amongst several paddlers in  Vancouver before it was shipped to Calgary via greyhound.   I believe it was damaged before she got her hands on it. And yes she is strong.

The paddle in this case of the 2 broken at Alcan have not broken actually as much as what ever fastener (glue) they are using between the shaft and the blade seems to be separating and needs to be re-glued.  The paddler likes the paddle, just not the glue.

Burn Waters have had their issues in the past if you go look at past threads on this topic.  There were several runs of paddles from Burnwater that bubbled in some fashion.

To make a long story short it appears as though most paddle makers have and will continue to have issues over time.  

[glowing_ice]

here are a few things i personally think is important when considering a new blade:

quality (most common defects, number of known occurrences), warranty, replacement policy, customer service and shipping/wait time. 

when my burnwater bubbled it was replaced within the same week.  quick professional customer service.  i like that!  i am pretty sure our friendly local Apex rep is also quick to help if you encounter problems with your paddles... (right colossus?  )

[Garbage Miles]

Apex had a problem with the Durablade non-carbon paddles.  They really weren't that durable.  The full carbon ones are pretty good.

I would expect every manufacturer's paddles to break.  It's how the manufacturer handles the warranty claim afterwards.

I've seen the Chinook.  Like the Apex, the Chinook has a pattern on the shaft for better grip.  Burnwater's are a bit slippery.  The new Burnwater's are heavier than the old ones and are weighted at the blade. 

Most of the time, it'll come down to personal preference. 

the tendancy of breaking is something that every company goes through for a small batch once in a while.  I haven't heard of Apex having problems for a few years now

[cookie]

You're correct about the Apex Durablade non-carbon but the full carbons are really good...not as light as the Jet's but still pretty good!!! 

[Martini]

I take the paddle back to the Calgary Rep that you bought it from....I would make him refund your money and buy you a new burnwater.....   But please don't tell him that I said that....

I'm afraid of him too!

[PaddleFunk]

Posted on: Today at 11:40:27 AMPosted by: cookie 
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You're correct about the Apex Durablade non-carbon but the full carbons are really good...not as light as the Jet's but still pretty good!!!   

Which Apex are you talking about... the nonadjustable full carbon is significantly lighter than the Grey Owl Jet.  Not sure if the adjustable is heavier but I would think they are compatable.

[Secret Weapon]

There is minimal weight difference between the Burnwater and the Apex adjustable, not enough to make a difference on your power on the blade. If I were looking it would be between these two, Apex is nice due to the adjustable option.