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[Jing_Du]

The first big race of the season for ON and QB
also took place over the weekend in Pickering,
using IDBF standard boats, same as half of the
races on False Creek.  Too bad Gorging Dragons
wasn't in the line up too.

ON & QB A Division final & consolation times

A Mayfair Predators 2:03.63 1
B GG Draggons 2:03.64
C Eat Trout 2:04.64
D Scotia Rouge 2:04.66
E Skippers Plan Imperial Dragons 2:05.14
F SCC Team Chiropractic 2:06.48
G Hammerheads 2:07.34
H Hanalei 2:07.60
I Tempest 2:08.00
J Wong's DBC Dragonslayers 2:08.45
K Verdun DBC Adrenaline 2:08.68

BC A Division final times
(unofficial, no significant current)

A 2:04.33 FCRCC Mixed
B 2:05.60 Pacific Reach
C 2:13.34 ROLI Canada I
D 2:15.88 Swordfish  
 
BTW, what was the water taxi's time ?

[Lethal Weapon]

interesting.  They were in Geminis not their "IDBF Standard DBs" (what ever model and make they are). Apples and Oranges man!
Also if you want to compare"times" At the Lotus Regatta the top team clocked 1:44 (with some signicifcant current) BTW it was a Junior team that did it. Heck my Rec C team did a 1:56 in a 6-16 with no significant current......

[paddleboy]

There is no comparison between the boats used. I have paddled in the eastern boats and they are a cakewalk compared to the gemini's .

 Either way those who won back east are good teams so my congrats to Mayfair and the rest

[Lethal Weapon]

There is no comparison between the boats used. I have paddled in the eastern boats and they are a cakewalk compared to the gemini's

True enough! I'd like to see them lunge and plunge in a gemini! With a littel wave action we are talking KNOCKOUT! Head on the Gunnel

[Secret Weapon]

Jing how did your team do???  Also how well have you adapted your Eastern style stroke to the Western style?  Which do you prefer or feel is more advantageous?

[Jing_Du]

interesting.  They were in Geminis not their "IDBF Standard DBs" (what ever model and make they are). Apples and Oranges man!

If you look inside any Gemini boat there is (or ought to be) a label that indicates that these boats are indeed IDBF-approved international standard racing dragon boats.  They have a serial and registration number.  Look for it next time you jump into one.
 
The BuK, the SRS, the Pelle and the Doneratico are other brands of DBs available in Canada which comply with the international standard as well.  I think there is also a brand from China now being used in North America as well.

(Milennium, 6-16 and Dynasty Dragon are not of the same design; nor are the boats at Montreal's Basin.)

About half of the boats being raced outside of Asia are of the IDBF pattern.

[Jing_Du]

Jing how did your team do???  Also how well have you adapted your Eastern style stroke to the Western style?  Which do you prefer or feel is more advantageous?

Whatever moves the boat the quickest is what I'll use (without bothering the others in the boat of course.)

[Lethal Weapon]

Thanks
I am Aware they are certified!
My point is that they are not the same design as the Gemini (have you ever been in one?) You would see that BUK and Dynasty are completely different in seating and more importantly space and weight.
My point is that comparing times from different boats and water composition is not relavent. Tell them to come here and let's race for pink slips (they can have all the Gemini's!)

[Jing_Du]

My point is that they are not the same design as the Gemini. You would see that BUK and Dynasty are completely different in seating and more importantly space and weight. (they can have all the Gemini's!)

WHAT are not (of) the same design. Leth ?

Dynasty has a completely different hull shape from any other DB boat out there, never mind the seating.

All of the IDBF boats have basically the same length, hull and minimum weight.  (They have to be otherwise they wouldn't be allowed into the same race.  Like rowing shells of different brands which meet the standards, or outrigger canoes of different brands which comply with the class rules, different brands of DBs which meet the standard can be raced together within reason.  Each pool of boats would be matched, but I've seen several different brands all at the same race.)  There are seating differences but that doesn't affect the hull's maximum reachable top speed.

In sailing, boats can be handicapped to allow for the slight differences in design with times adjusted accordingly.

IDBF has 3 classes so far, 20 paddler, 10 paddler and wood 20 paddler.

[Lethal Weapon]

BUK Boat Specs

length: 40.9 feet
width: 1.16 m
weight: 550 lbs
hull material:Glassfibre Reinforced Polyester, clam-shelled construction
tanks / seats: 10 seats, full legroom

Gemini Boats

Length 41 feet
Weight 550 lbs
Width - Damn Skinny (tapered )
 11 seats Limitedleg room

The big difference is leg room and width (Hard to find specs on the Gemini..(Help!)

Weight and length are about the same but the 11 seats in the gemini's makes a huge ass difference in paddling style. Stick those easterners in the Geminis and lets see the same times.....

[paddleboy]

You obviously have not been in a gemini as of yet otherwise you would know the differences .The 1 major difference is the number of seats .... the buks, srs are 10 and the gemini's are 11 which means their is far less room and forces you to go way outside the person in front of you . I guess Jetstart from back east is going to find out soon enough as will you .


 it's hard to find the spec's because Gemini does want you to know what they are like before a sale ,lol .

 Btw : was that your seal/dog I saw this weekend ?

[tiger]

So here are the differences I see:

a. Between each seat there is about 2-2.5 inches less in a Gemini than a BuK (because there is an 11th seat).  Now that is in theory, there may be a little bit more because there seems to be a lot of room for the steersperson in a Gemini, so maybe there could be 3-3.5 inches different.  

b. The way the seats are done in a Gemini ensures the long legged have a problem.  In a Buk they have a board across the boat where as the Gemini has the plastic mold.  I think if they opened that up (i.e. got rid of the arch) the long legged would get more room (again a theory).

c.  Foot rest in a Gemini consists of 2 large ridges whereas the BuK has one small ridge.  If there was only one small ridge offset from the seat that would give the long legged some more room again.

Now when I say BuK I am refering to the North American Buk.  Elsewhere the Buk is just as cramp as the Gemini but we only think North American.

Now the major difference between a Buk/Gemini and a 6/16 is that a Buk/Gemini requires proper technique whereas the 6/16 a team can be sloppy and just use raw power to get it down the creek.

AMO

[Jing_Du]

Oh I get it now, thanks.  :wink:

If there's less leg room then the boat will go slower.
(That would explain why the Germans, the Russians
and the Poles for example race so slowly I guess.)

So who's decision was it to get the same boats that are used in international competition ?  Would it not be of benefit before going off to a major world race and paying for all that airfare, to at least have a chance to actually practice "cramped leg" style paddling ?  

When the Toronto national team came out here, they found the
leg room (and the width) in the 6-16s awfully huge.  I guess it's
whatever you get used to.

I think it could be the boat's length along the waterline - and not the overall length of the part of the boat that is sticking up above the water - that counts the most.  The weights are the same and the molds are similar.  Too bad about the reduced number of seats.  I guess we just have to be different from elsewhere.  Hey, but at least we don't have to take out those wooden boats  :lol:

[Jing_Du]

Poznan 2003 World Cup
Premier Mixed 500M Final

CAN 1:54.96
RUS 1:55.60
GBR 1:56.00
AUS 1:56.58
GER 1:57.59
SUI  1:58.79

D_mn those are such slow times in cramped boats  :roll:
(Sorry, it was the Brits and not the Poles who bronzed.)
Must have been a headwind.

[Lethal Weapon]

Probably a strong tide as well  
I guess we'll have to wait and see if any of the "eastern" teams show up to show us the goods.....Except Jetstart . who by the way are a kick ass bunch of great paddlers and party people!. No problem with Cramped Leg space as in case you haven't noticed the Gemini times are getting faster and faster as the teams adjust. 6-16's have there place on a real water course...not a pond or an enclosed bath tub.....

So who's decision was it to get the same boats that are used in international competition ? Would it not be of benefit before going off to a major world race and paying for all that airfare, to at least have a chance to actually practice "cramped leg" style paddling ?

We don't pick the boats, we just paddle them!

Btw : was that your seal/dog I saw this weekend ?

Nah, called the wife and she said the dog/seal was resting for Alcan....