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[jamie_a]

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Facts:
Victoria course around 475m
Last year flood tide, final started well over the line,
No wonder times were quick!

boatbutt, what do think now? 

[vicpaddler]

really great racing from all teams this weekend!

Watching the finals was amazing. Team Cream OC20 coming 1st and taking it by a boat length over False Creek and GD's! That's pretty dominating given the fact that False Creek, GD's and Firedragons are going to the worlds. Team Cream OC20 mixed smashed the course record. Team Cream OC20 open men's team smashed the record at 1:44 and change... I also heard that it's the fastest time ever in the Victoria Dragon Boat history. Team Cream OC20 Sprinkles also set a course record for hitting sub 2 minutes at 1:59 and change.

Dominated? Did you even watch the final? The only reason OC20 won it by that margin was that Gorging had to make 2 huge course corrections about 200M into the final to avoid a collision with FC who were impeding on Gorging. (BTW Gorging was leading at the time) In the only unbiased meeting of the two teams (the semi final) Gorging came out on top. Would they have held on in the final? We'll never know, but to say they were DOMINATED by OC-20 is a load of crap.

[taavi]

I would suggest that the debate of whether or not it was dominating is moot. I think the real debate should be how it is a group of paddlers are that have not had one practice together in a DB since last years Victoria festival is competing with clubs that have had 4 or more a week for the past year. Clubs that are headed for worlds. To me that's a more interesting conversation.

[jamie_a]

really great racing from all teams this weekend!

Watching the finals was amazing. Team Cream OC20 coming 1st and taking it by a boat length over False Creek and GD's! That's pretty dominating given the fact that False Creek, GD's and Firedragons are going to the worlds. Team Cream OC20 mixed smashed the course record. Team Cream OC20 open men's team smashed the record at 1:44 and change... I also heard that it's the fastest time ever in the Victoria Dragon Boat history. Team Cream OC20 Sprinkles also set a course record for hitting sub 2 minutes at 1:59 and change.

Dominated? Did you even watch the final? The only reason OC20 won it by that margin was that Gorging had to make 2 huge course corrections about 200M into the final to avoid a collision with FC who were impeding on Gorging. (BTW Gorging was leading at the time) In the only unbiased meeting of the two teams (the semi final) Gorging came out on top. Would they have held on in the final? We'll never know, but to say they were DOMINATED by OC-20 is a load of crap.

I did watch the final and it was an exciting one. I was sitting close view of the finish line. There must be video out there by now of the race. If the GD's had to make a correction to avoid "collision with FC" I don't think it would had to be that much of a correction. Isn't steering part of the game as well? From my view and was talking to others as well... Team Cream OC20 was already way ahead by the 200m mark. winning by 3 or more seconds does not come right at the end... it most likely comes from shooting out of the blocks and taking the lead right away. The officials would have said something if FC impeded GD's way. Anyways, no need to be so upset about it... it's a local dragon boat festival that was won by a bunch of outrigger paddlers (interesting!) and I think they did dominate when it they won by a boat length and a bit. Anyways... you should look for some videos. I'm gonna see whats out there and post if I can find some.

[jamie_a]

really great racing from all teams this weekend!

Watching the finals was amazing. Team Cream OC20 coming 1st and taking it by a boat length over False Creek and GD's! That's pretty dominating given the fact that False Creek, GD's and Firedragons are going to the worlds. Team Cream OC20 mixed smashed the course record. Team Cream OC20 open men's team smashed the record at 1:44 and change... I also heard that it's the fastest time ever in the Victoria Dragon Boat history. Team Cream OC20 Sprinkles also set a course record for hitting sub 2 minutes at 1:59 and change.

Dominated? Did you even watch the final? The only reason OC20 won it by that margin was that Gorging had to make 2 huge course corrections about 200M into the final to avoid a collision with FC who were impeding on Gorging. (BTW Gorging was leading at the time) In the only unbiased meeting of the two teams (the semi final) Gorging came out on top. Would they have held on in the final? We'll never know, but to say they were DOMINATED by OC-20 is a load of crap.

I did watch the final and it was an exciting one. I was sitting close view of the finish line. There must be video out there by now of the race. If the GD's had to make a correction to avoid "collision with FC" I don't think it would had to be that much of a correction. Isn't steering part of the game as well? From my view and was talking to others as well... Team Cream OC20 was already way ahead by the 200m mark. winning by 3 or more seconds does not come right at the end... it most likely comes from shooting out of the blocks and taking the lead right away. The officials would have said something if FC impeded GD's way. Anyways, no need to be so upset about it... it's a local dragon boat festival that was won by a bunch of outrigger paddlers (interesting!) and I think they did dominate when it they won by a boat length and a bit. Anyways... you should look for some videos. I'm gonna see whats out there and post if I can find some.

I just did a search and here is a video of the finals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t35vkP6k_TE . Lane 2 is FC and Lane 3 is GD's and from what I can see FC is way far from GD's. lane 1 is Team Cream OC20.  At 0:06 you can see that Team Cream  are in the lead at this point and you can also see that FC is far away from GD's. Then at around 0:10 you can really see the lead of lane 1 and still FC is far away from GD's. So I don't get why you think FC almost collided with the GD's. Watch the rest and you can see if that Team Cream did dominate the race. 

[Backward Rowing]

I would have to say from Jamie_a video, that lane 1 was in the pack until the other boats interfered with each other allowing OC20 to take the lead. I have to admit, that this is a horrible angle to see how close the boats were to each other in the race, but without the "drone video copter" flying with them, I don't think there is any really good vantage point to see the race in Victoria.

Congrats to all the teams in the mixed platinum final. It is clear to me that you all deserved to be in the final heat.

[boatbutt]

Jamie, clearly you have minimal experience. Carry on...

[brainiac]

Two things that get my goat (in a very mild and barely goat-like fashion):

- people talking about "records" for paddling competitions. Let's be real, there's no way you can talk about 'records' when the conditions are so different between venues. It's even problematic for 'course records' given the lack of consistency in equipment, not to mention tides and wind. This isn't track and field!

- people arguing about "unfair" races due to barney boats, wash riding, interference, etc.

My take on the video: it's too hard to see if any interference occurred given the angle, distance, and the fact that we only see the last half of the race. However, I'm pretty sure Team Cream has a big lead when the video starts. I now invite the grassy knoll theorists to provide their input. Perhaps there was a second shooter.

[madcap]

At least we don't have to go through a Warren Commission to determine the reason for the winning or losing. We've already gone through enough verbiage to rival any report or conspiracy regarding the final race in Victoria. OMG it is not rocket science people. It's a dragonboat race....please give it a rest.

[mappingguy]

I agree with Brainiac about "records"  Tidal currents and boat type makes a huge difference with race times.  When some tells me their team did a 1min 45 sec ...500 meter race in uncontrolled waters... i have to quietly turn my head away and roll my eyes.  

I think Barney boats (unclean or waterlogged boats) are unfair.. This can be controlled by race organizers.

Unintentional interference or washing riding....well that's just a part of racing

Just my three cents

[jamie_a]

Maybe i don't have a lot of experience paddling but I totally understand about conditions, wake riding equipment and etc, the festival has been around for 20 years and all the fast times have been around an average of 1:55 to 1:58. So most of you guys are saying that the paddlers on Team Cream had the help of the wind, current and equipment gods to break the records? There is a little bit more to that. Every other team has/had the same advantage (with the current/winds equipment etc...) The GD's and Kai have posted fast times and had over 20 years to post the fastest times with current and wind help.

Boatbutt... are you a GD?

[Backward Rowing]

jamie_a, I am not sure why you are trolling on this matter. OC20 Cream Team won the championship heat for mixed division. None of the earlier writers, whether or not they are from Gorging Dragons or any other paddling club, care about "records" at the Victoria Dragon Boat Festival as each race is different. If you care to, you can look at the preliminary races to find the fast heat over its history. You will find one that probably had the tidal current and wind, and probably "brand new" millennium boats.

This was a good race as the stars aligned for OC20 Cream Team, but it would have been closer if the other boats had their "stars" align. Some of us have seen FCRCC Premier, Gorging Dragons have better races. And as I said earlier, all the teams, including Dreadnought and Portland Fire Dragons, deserved to have been in the final mixed race.

To everyone else reading this, sorry, I was baited by jamie_a.

[madcap]

Jamie A. Give it a rest. This is old news. There is more paddling and racing going on in Ravenna, Italy, than you will ever see. West Coast Canadian teams are winning gold, silver and bronze, and are leading the World Club Crews. Please gain some perspective. Victoria Dragon boat races are a little fish in a big, big pond. Get real.