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« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2011, 01:00:41 PM »

I would be referring to Phat Phish at Alcan etc they did not have their real team at Nanaimo missing a large number of their paddlers (OC Races) and may not again who knows it will be the weaker heats in general that will shake things up a bit .When looking at these teams I would always be looking at all the races and heats etc for the past 2 years or so to get a feel for how the team really performs.
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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2011, 01:19:32 PM »

So by that token there could also be conflicts with the Canadian Iron Championships for OC for some crews, especially with Victoria being an out of town festival for a lot. 

Point is, I totally agree with you that they're a strong crew.  My point is just that you need to be careful not to just focus on the centre lane without looking at the wider picture for the other crews too.

Totally agree on how much work should go into seeding.  When I have seeded in the past, that's exactly what I would do. 

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« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2011, 01:57:21 PM »

If you are wondering why seeding Westshore and Hampton and not seeding Phat Phish and V02 will have an effect on outcome think ahead to the second round Extreme will then face Phat Phish in the second heat if Phat Phish have their real team that could be a tight race if Extreme take it then Phat Phish will get two second place finishes dropping them to a much lower division then where they belong or if they take Extreme then they both will then get dropped to a much lower division based on pts (there will be a large number of teams with two firsts) The Westsore  and Hampton wood heats are much weaker heats so potentially having two much slower heats getting two firsts bumping them to a much higher division .This also could apply to V02 Max who will race RGL in their second race . Either way Hampton Woods and Westshore (usually)could not place above these 3 teams head to head (Phat Phish ,V02 and Extreme)

Since I am racing this weekend and hope to get into Platinum reading this thread made me look a bit closer at this. 

First off, I would not compare times between races, especially on tidal water, too many variables in my view.

I think we should all be out there paddling that is where you can show what you are made of not sitting behind a computer looking at stats.  If stats were always true then the Canucks would have a cup in their office.

Looking at the race grid, Tao are ranked as the 2nd best team in their heat which is probably correct.  It looks like two second places for Tao would put them into diamond which is probably where they should be (they were 6th in Rec A at Alcan and did not do so well at Nanamio). 

I looked at results for Victoria going back for 3 years and I am not sure what you are getting at, Westshore has been Platinum for two years and Diamond the year before.  They seem to be ranked about where they should be (if they are like other years).

Hampton Woods has always been pretty good but being a traveling team they may or may not but we won't know until Saturday afternoon. 

My friend who is on VO2Max indicates they are Jade division at best. I think they may surprise a bit but even they say they are not that good.

We will have to see who has picked up whom.  I know the team I am racing on has picked up a couple of paddlers and that may bump us up but the organizers don't know that unless they have spies on every boat  Shocked.

Predictions:

1. GD
2. RGL or Navy
3. Navy or RGL
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« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2011, 02:43:12 PM »

You are a 100 % correct they will come second in their race .Westshore Warriors did finish as you say they were one of the teams that got bumped up , if you were at that particular festival then you would realize what issues we are referring to . Looks like to me Victoria Dragon Boat Festival has made a huge effort to correct some of the issues
and I do believe they are doing a awesome job this is normally one of the better festivals out there and they were in danger of losing a lot of teams based on last year alone.
There is nothing more exciting to see then tight racing in the finals in every division.
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« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2011, 04:08:33 PM »

I see from the race grid that they have again failed to schedule in the Coho.  It arrives at 10:10 and leaves at 10:30 and arrives again at 3:00.  From my experience the Coho has been a major cause of the delays.  When will they learn ??
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« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2011, 04:41:00 PM »

The Coho doesn't always leave on time.

Last time I was on it (couple weekends ago) it left about 20min late.

Would be impossible to schedule in that respect.  Harbour ferry ballet is a different story but hopefully this year we won't get the extended remix and paddlers can stay under shade when it's going on!
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« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2011, 09:42:11 PM »

Here are my predictions.

1) Gorging dragons
2) Portland Fire
3) Dragonhearts Ultimate

Okay teams...go prove me right.


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« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2011, 08:20:22 AM »

I see from the race grid that they have again failed to schedule in the Coho.  It arrives at 10:10 and leaves at 10:30 and arrives again at 3:00.  From my experience the Coho has been a major cause of the delays.  When will they learn ??

I agree with the other person that the Coho schedule is variable (based on every year I am there).  For the years that I have attended the festival they try to run ahead of schedule to add the cushion for the Coho. This year it does look like they put extra time into the schedule. They gave extra time around 10AM (20 minutes instead of 12 minutes) and then again around 10:30AM.  Looks like the same thing in the afternoon, around 2:30PM and again around 3:00PM. 

Last year is no indication of what it would have been since racing started late.  I hope this year they run on time and we will see if the extra 8 minutes is worth it or they need more.
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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2011, 08:23:06 AM »

I will extend my predictions to say who will be in the final race:

1. GD
2. RGL or Navy
3. Navy or RGL
4. Portland Firedragons or DH Ultimate
5. DH Ultimate or Portland Firedragons

The only for sure is GD the rest will be close.
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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2011, 08:37:47 AM »

I dont know Tiger, Portland and GDs were VERY close in Nanaimo. The Goblins love the GDs and support them all the way but it will not be an easy win if they pull it off. They are really going to need to fight for it.
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« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2011, 09:41:43 AM »

Rumor has it that one of the Vancouver teams picked up a few (5+) FCRCC paddlers.  Just a rumor though  Wink
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« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2011, 10:03:57 AM »

Rumour also has it that another team has picked up some U-23 paddlers while yet another has picked up a few more Kai paddlers. Everyone had better bring their A games this weekend!

This is definitely shaping up to be the strongest, most competitive field Victoria has seen for quite some time!!
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« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2011, 10:44:41 AM »

Rumor has it that one of the Vancouver teams picked up a few (5+) FCRCC paddlers.  Just a rumor though  Wink

Riptide has strong connections
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« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2011, 10:53:37 AM »

I would just like to clarify when I said that the two heats were weaker I am referring to the seeding there is not a clear distiction in both those heats who will come 1st or 2nd in pretty much every other heat there will be a 5-10 second space beteen 1st and 2nd place.The weaker heats could upset the balance since the 1st of one heat will race the 2nd of the other heat potentially having a much lower ranked team with two 1sts then knocking out the higher ranked team in other heats that will have to take a 1st and a 2nd based on this set up. As for the rumor of the pick-ups probally the same team that picked up the 5 FCRCC paddlers at Harrison.Since they are a seeded team won't upset things to much.
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« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2011, 12:17:54 PM »

I think the grid looks well made up. 

Here's my predictions:

1  Gorging Dragons
2  Portland Firedragons
3  Navy Dragon Anchors
4  Riptide
5  RGL

6  Dragon Hearts Ultimate
7  Xtreme Reach
8  Blu by U
9  Westshore Warriors
10 Hampton Woods

11 CDBC Crew Yahoo
12 Save on Foods Dragon Slayers
13 Dragon Hearts Beat
14 Phat Phish
15 TCC Dragoneers
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