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[BernMan]

Yea but some of those San Fran teams are on the rankings since they raced in the RTA Festival in June.

[paddlecwazy]

True, but at which point do you draw the line.  There were several Alberta based teams that trekked over the Rockies for a number of festivals, but the regattas in Alberta aren't included in the rankings.   

The ladder system only works properly when the pool of teams that it focuses on are consistent.  To introduce data that is mostly comprised of teams that are not currently in the rankings only compromises the integrity of the system.

Though, one could make the arguement that LARD could be moved up and take Magnum's ranking based on the results in San Fran, but in the name of consistency I would argue against this.

[NFW]

^ well said.

Keep in mind that the ladder rankings are not meant to be taken as the end all be all, take it with a grain of salt.

Its useful to see how strong a certain teams are in relative to the DB world in the 'northern west coast', but its not definitive in terms of whether team A is definitely better than team B, unless of course if you are FCRCC Team Canada lol

[BlueStreak]

Hey folks. Sorry for the delay in getting the last rankings update up. I could give you my usual excuses about being busy, etc, etc - but in the end, its just excuses. I'll get cracking on this stuff. Hopefully, I can get it done within the next week.

Vernon results are here.

http://www.vernondragonboat.com/pdfs/2009_VernonResults.pdf

They've apparently been around for awhile but have been buried in the website.

Thanks for finding that. However, I've got a little dilemma now... Since Vernon happened before the Gorge and Victoria festival, it will retro-actively change the rankings results of the two races. (And from the comment about the semi-final spin outs that happened in Vernon, it may also incorrectly skew the rankings too. Although with the results browser, it is possible that those in the know can identify the results that need to be excluded from the ranking calculations.)

Is everyone ok with that?

[BernMan]

Sure no problem! Who are we to argue for someone doing something that you ain't even getting a dime for doing it! 

[spark10]

thanks everyone for your hypotheses on why the San Fran festival is not included in the ladder rankings.  It answers my question..sort of but just to correct those who think there are only a 'handful' or '2-3' Canadian teams in attendance, there were actually 14 Canadian teams competing at SFO this year, a significant amount considering there were a total of 33 visiting teams.  Pretty good representation, EH?

[coach]

I would like to see more festivals and more teams included. As long as there are enough teams currently on the ladder that participate in a festival then it should be relevant, keeping in mind no system is perfect.

It would be interesting to see more Alberta and west coast US teams. It is DB West.   

Maybe there could be a percentage so you know relatively where you are. 50th out of 100 is different than 50th out of 250. Being ahead of 50% of the teams on the ladder though gives you something consistent to track as teams are added.

[BlueStreak]

The rankings have been updated with results from Vernon, Penticton, Portland and Kelowna. (I planned on adding Seattle but couldn't find heat by heat results) Sorry for being so late in getting this posted.

I'm also going to delay updating ladder browser because I'm planning on adding a new feature to it. So the "why is my team in this spot" head scratching will unfortunately continue for a few days while I finish this up.

[NFW]

Thanks for the update! appreciate the hard work.

[NoTouchingSasha]

Thanks for the update!  Woo DH Beat almost went up 20 ranks 

[BlueStreak]

The ladder browser has been updated. Scrutinize away!

The new feature I've added is team result pages. Select a team from the starting page or click on a team name anywhere in the ladder browser and it will take you to a page showing all of the results recorded for that team. From there click on a result heat to go to that heat in the ladder browser. Hope you find this feature as handy as I did.

[NFW]

That's a handy feature indeed, it can summarize a whole season quite nicely!

[LARDCore]

Thanks for updating!

[mandachan]

One of my teammates found this:

http://www.gwndragonboat.com/pub/docs/Ranking%20System_11_11_09.pdf

I'm not sure how/why/where/when but he's a great researcher when it comes to DB stuff.

It's the ranking list for every crew in Canada.

[Illuminate]

One of my teammates found this:

http://www.gwndragonboat.com/pub/docs/Ranking%20System_11_11_09.pdf

I'm not sure how/why/where/when but he's a great researcher when it comes to DB stuff.

It's the ranking list for every crew in Canada.

I'm not a big believer in ranking systems for DB, but I think DBW's is slightly more accurate than trying to find an average time for every team in Canada.  So many outside factors can affect a team's time over 500m, like wind, type of water, depth of the course, the race itself, what officials actually judge to be 500m, etc etc.