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[NFW]

But if Sudden Impact goes to Victoria, it sounds like they will be going up against a Gorging Dragons/Kai Ikaika loaded team.  This rankings system doesn't take into account team roster consistency, as Dragon Boat Canada is trying to do, by having a certain percentage of your roster attend each of the races, as you work to qualify for worlds or nationals.

I agree with the roster inconsistency issues, but sometimes it just cant be helped.
The more important issue however would be when a whole new team is created for
the purpose of one specific Regatta/Festivals from 2 or more other teams
(ie. Pemberton Baldies, VOS, and whatever name the GD and Kai infused team will have)
Unless those teams request to credit their results into their original teams rankings.

Imho, that messes up the overall rankings more than the roster inconsistency.
(I guess it helps a little, once the # of races column gets incorporated at the next update)

[madcap]

Bluestreak: When do you anticipate adding in the Victoria results into the rankings. Should be interesting..

[BlueStreak]

Bluestreak: When do you anticipate adding in the Victoria results into the rankings. Should be interesting..

Rankings should be up a day or two after Victoria puts out their results.

Edit: Oh hey, they're out. Guess I better get on it...

[BlueStreak]

Rankings have been updated!

There are a few things to take note of:

• The number of races column has been added.
• I recorded Dragon Hearts at the Victoria Festival as Dragon Hearts Magnum. If this is error, let me know.
• QF Blu by U was recorded as a separate team from the "plain" Blu by U.
• Gorging Dragons' 2nd place result in Victoria was ignored, so Without Warning will not take their spot in the rankings. The reasoning for this being that it wasn't really the full Gorging team that raced last weekend.

[dogpaddle]

You can combine the Blu By U and QF Blu By U. Quality Foods is our sponsor and we use both names interchangeably.

Thanks for all your work on the standings BlueStreak! 

[BernMan]

Now this is really screwy. How the heck can teamw that was ranked in the upper 20's or even higher all of a sudden get bumped all the way down into the 60's and lower?? If race organizers are going to rely on website info for possible race/team seedings they sure as heck better not rely on this one! This is not right. FFS! 

[mustbecrazy]

I also have a question??  How is it that teams who have raced in only one event get to maintain a high and untouchable ranking if they are never in another competition and so cannot be "dethroned?" I believe that teams who compete more often may be penalized in this system.

If I were a race organizer I might say that S.I. Black, who has raced in 7 events has earned its higher ranking...but has "Mauna Hale earned its spot with one event under its belt?

Meaning no disrespect, Blue Streak!  This is an ambitious undertaking and I know that every system will have its flaws. 

[madcap]

Bluestreak: I think you will find that the Vancity Alpha team and the VanCity Thuderstrokers are one and the same. Just a name change.

[madcap]

I just want to make note of something that is outstanding in the rankings. Six of the top 100 teams are Seniors teams, over 50, and some of them average 72 years of age. Some have paddlers in their 80's. So, all you guys out there contemplating your "grey" years, there's hope for you yet. Keep paddling hard, I think we hear banjo music...

[mustbecrazy]

"Gorging Dragons' 2nd place result in Victoria was ignored, so Without Warning will not take their spot in the rankings. The reasoning for this being that it wasn't really the full Gorging team that raced last weekend."

Another question...are these ranking objective or subjective?  Every team struggles from time to time with finding paddlers who miss the event for some very good reasons. So, the team you face in an event may be enhanced or diminished based on who is able to paddle.  Not meaning to be unkind to Gorging or to Bluestreak...  but at what point does a team become the "full team"?  Gorging very nearly took 1st.  If they had would their win have been witheld because they weren't the full team?   I'd say that if a team enters an event under their name, they need to be accountable for their result...even if the dragon boat community knows the result would have been different if......

[BernMan]

Well put mustbecrazy! 

[dogpaddle]

If I understand the ladder system correctly....it looks like Legacy didn't place well in one of the recent festivals. This bumped them and the teams ranked below them. So to move up in the standings, your team has to race and beat another team that's ranked ahead of them.

I'm a little confused why Edgewater Casino didn't move into GDs spot, though...would it have something to do with the heats in Victoria?

[BernMan]

What usually happens is if a team beats a team that is place higher than them then that winning team takes over their spot thereby dropping that team by just 1 spot. So the rest of the teams below them could technically be bumped down just 1 spot. However after the addition of the number of races column I think it all got screwed up. There are teams way ahead of some of the teams there that have no business being ahead of them. No disrespect but really take a look! There are lower rec teams ahead of lower comp teams! LOL

[NFW]

First off, Thanks BlueStreak

WOW, The rankings looks so butchered up...

Why are Topmade fusion, TCC dragoneers, Starbucks and Extreme Currents in the top 25? I dont get it.

I've always thought that if you were beaten, you would only drop down one spot. And everybody else below you.
So wouldn't Phat Phish and RGL be right below Magnum??

I'd say that if a team enters an event under their name, they need to be accountable for their result...even if the dragon boat community knows the result would have been different if......

I agree completely. Obviously Gorging did not anticipate losing, otherwise they might have named their team differently...or they just dont care about the DBWest rankings, in which case Without Warning should take the spot to which they've earned.

As for the Mauna Hale/Kai (Top team with one race) issue, i also agree on it but have no viable solution to offer in terms of the fairness of the rankings, short of going over to their territory and competing with them.

Question: Is Pemberton Eagles and Pemberton Baldies a completely separate team?

p.s: The Dragon Hearts in Victoria was Dragon Hearts Magnum, The organizers at Victoria seems to have missed that.

[LittleSchrodinger]

I believe the Victoria organizer dropped the Magnum on our team name because our full team name was way too long for the roster. (3One Media Dragonheart Magnum) So yeah, that's a hassle

I also have to agree that the ranking looks slightly butchered at its current state, as it doesn't make the top three look very reliable with Ika and Mauna Hale having only one race, and the only team better than them at ranking happen to be the dear FCRCC A. =\ Not to mention the Blu By U Caffeinated by Starbucks, I believe that was a merger solely for one festival, but it's ranked higher than the real 'full' team. If you're not going to count Without Warning's victory over Gorging Dragon at Victoria, why count Blu By U Caffeinated by Starbucks, since neither GD and Blu By Starbucks are technically their respectively full teams.

The system is fine, but at the current state I'd say it need a cleaning up.