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[brainiac]

Let the complaining begin (again)! 

[Day_dreamer]

Anyone want to enlighten me as to how final race times were determined for teams that didn't race any finals?  My team had some lightning fast time for our "4th" and "final race" even without racing a 4th race...

[rightarm]

EDIT: ah i see what they did now.

Lane     Place     Time     Team Name
1    2    1:54.25    Fresh Off the Dragonboat
2    4    1:57.85    Dragnum
3    3    1:54.26    Masters of D'Zone
4    1    1:53.17    Sudden Impact Black
5    6    2:06.00    Blu By U
6    5    2:01.08    CCR Crews Control Reunited

Interesting.  The "platinum B" results.  Does this mean we get ribbons? 

[Colossus]

1:54.25?  that would have gotten you 5th place in the grand final in mixed a week ago.   

[Monk]

Huh?    My guess is that for those who did not get a final, they totaled the times for the 3 heats that were raced and averaged them over the distance raced, then prorated over 500m. I only have one example with my team since I can't see the race 2 results

Example: Blu By U (my team)

Race 1 - 500m 2:14
Race 2 - 500m 2:10
Race 3 - 250m 1:06

Total - 1250m 5:30 => 500m 2:06

Assuming others can prove this with their own race times, it is a reasonable explanation.

Don't like it much but mainly because it pushed lower that I thought we should be ...But then again I would have loved it if it pushed us up.

That's racing folks

[goldcap]

Damn straight, let the complaining begin. And I'll be one of the first.
First off, it took them 2 weeks to decide this? And then they can't take the time
to tell us HOW they got to these results? Why can't anyone access the results for Mixed Division Race 2?

I am VERY disappointed with the way this was handled. I know they had a tough job, but the results are laughable. We went from first place in our 3rd race, competing against people who are equal in the placings, to 6th place when they add teams that we would have NEVER been racing against in any final because they are that much better.
So yeah, I am p***ed. The first day is about proper placing, and nothing else.

I love the Kelowna festival, the atmosphere, the competition, but this certainly puts a damper on that enthusiasm.
Bonnie

[rightarm]

1:54.25?  that would have gotten you 5th place in the grand final in mixed a week ago.   

  world class times, not bad for a "re-build year" eh?    Nothing like a good time and a little creative interpretation to help with the sponsorship proposals! 


 

[gvinluan]

WOW...That's pretty crazy with how they came about with the results.  I believe Monk is right with how the came up with the final times...they took all three times and took the average...

So, quote me if I'm wrong, teams that may have finished 4th - 6th in there semi-final heats could have placed 1st to 3rd overall in there division because of their overall average??  It's pretty dissappointing and I feel for all the teams that it may have affected but either way "that's racing". 

As I said before...whatever decision the KDBF committee makes is fair and I'm sure they have reason behind their decision.  We can not blame them for anything as this was a very tough decision to make considering the circumstances that happened that weekend.  Every race matters folks!!!

[alcanranker]

First off, no matter what was decided there will be people not happy.  The only way to really know is to have had the race. 

I was one of the people who discussed how to come up with a method to determine what your time is.  After a few discussion this is what was decided:

a.  Sunday's race decided what final you were in, top 3 teams from each semi final went to the A final, all the others went to the B final.  Exactly the way it would have worked if we could have had 6 boat semis.  Even though you may have only raced one team on the water your place was based on the other teams originally in your semi final.  You had to do well in your "race" to get into the A final, jsut like any semi final race.
b.  To determine the times of the finals, only look at Saturday's results as Sunday's weather and conditions were too variable to be fair, sometimes wind, sometimes not, different boats, different length, etc.
c.  What does this mean?  If you ended up in an A final (i.e. medal round) you would have been racing in a BuK so your final time was based on you Saturday BuK time.  If you were in a B final then your time was determined by your 6/16 time.
d.  To eliminate some of the variablity on Saturday, some teams raced earlier than others, conditions changed etc. a formula of taking the standard deviation of your race and then adjust your time by that value.  For example, if the standard deviation for your BuK race was 5 seconds and your time was 2 minutes then your final race time will be 1:55.00.  Does that mean it would have been that, probably not but it gave everyone a time to be used in the final.

In the end, some will not be happy but the only way to make a person/team happy would be to have the race and that is what we all wanted but in the end it was not safe to do that.  It was unusual circumstances that was beyond anyone's control and everyone did what they can do.

Hope that explains the method.  Bash away, get your fustrations out but remember everything was done with the safety of the teams in mind and this is the best anyone can do without racing.

Til next year, happy paddling.

[Monk]

EDIT: ah i see what they did now.

Lane     Place     Time     Team Name
1    2    1:54.25    Fresh Off the Dragonboat
2    4    1:57.85    Dragnum
3    3    1:54.26    Masters of D'Zone
4    1    1:53.17    Sudden Impact Black
5    6    2:06.00    Blu By U
6    5    2:01.08    CCR Crews Control Reunited

Interesting.  The "platinum B" results.  Does this mean we get ribbons? 

If my pro-rated average theory is correct then these times kinda make sense, since these teams would have gotten a 250m sprint for their third race, which gonna be faster per meter overall. This of course would skew the average....a lot! The Sudden impact time is on a par with the this years worlds Open finals, way to go guys you are smokin' 

A better way might have been to call the 'semi' the 'final' for the bottom three in each semi heat and rank them according to time on the semi. It is reasonable to assume that the water conditions on back to back races would have been similar enough for a race time comparison to be valid. I personally would have liked this idea due the three places it would have earned us.

We did make huge leaps forward this year  , so who am I to bitch over a couple of places?

[rightarm]

I was kidding about the ribbon thing, but low and behold i just had a call from the organizers, and the ribbons are on their way! go figure!

[goldcap]

My thanks to alcanranker for explaining how the results were done. I don't agree with them, but at least someone told us. That info should have been sent to the teams before the rankings were posted, however. Live and learn.

Disappointed Dragoner - Bonnie

[alcanranker]

They are sending the explanation with the medal/ribbon package.  Just wasn't quite fast enough for the teams/people, that is why I posted here.

I don't think the weather can get much worse next year.  Here is to a bright, sunny, wind free 2008 Kelowna Festival and finals for all .