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[goldcap]

Has anyone heard anything about the "other" races done at Kelowna? We were in the Silver division and are trying to find out our result. We won our 1st race Sunday, but without being able to run the last one, we don't know where we stand.

Thanks -
Bonnie - Gift of Life

[paddlerboy]

We were also in Silver but I don't think it's fair to use just the semifinal results to determine the winner.  We placed 3rd in our semfinal, but we raced Gift of Life on Sat. and beat them by 7.5 seconds.  We also raced 2:16 in a very competitive second heat on Saturday and placed 5th, where we probably would have been 3rd or 4th in any other heat.

[gvinluan]

agreed...however, every team can have a bad race and as it showed on Sunday, Weather played a huge factor also.  Just because you beat Gift of Life in one race on Saturday doesn't make you the stronger team in the end.  They might of had a bad start or lanes problably played a factor.    They could of had a better second race, like your team, which made up for a bad first race.  Who know's...bottom line is both your team and the Gift of Life were placed in the Silver Division for a reason.

Besides, all she asked for were the results as most teams knew it was going to be up to the KDBF committee on how the medals were going to be distributed.  I'm sure whatever the committee decides will be fair...

[kenbo604]

We were also in Silver but I don't think it's fair to use just the semifinal results to determine the winner.  We placed 3rd in our semfinal, but we raced Gift of Life on Sat. and beat them by 7.5 seconds.  We also raced 2:16 in a very competitive second heat on Saturday and placed 5th, where we probably would have been 3rd or 4th in any other heat.

Well, that's racing.  Considering the circumstances, there wasn't much else which could be done.  Unless, you want to go back to Kelowna the week after  

[Waterbunny]

To the Gift of Life team....

Congratulations on being in the Silver division.  Really well done! 

Paddlerboy - she was only asking if anyone knew what the final results were - I didn't read anything else into it.  Neither should you... 

Congrats to both teams - Silver division is a great place to be

[paddlerboy]

I was only trying to prove the point that it might not be fair to use the semis as final results.  No offense intended.  Everyone in that final worked hard and deserved to be there.   

[BernMan]

Perhaps the best way to determine if any medals should be awarded could be based on total combined races done. Since most teams (if not all) raced 3 times for the same distances throughout the whole weekend then an accumulation of the 3 races could be the way to go here. Any thoughts on that? So if you had a really bad first race but then you had a really good 2nd race then the times accumulated should be of help to any team once you add in your 3rd race which would have been your semi. At least I think it would? Lucky for me I don't have to do the calculations but I am sure the time keeper/race grid guru at the finish line will have all those results. In fact I know he does. But it really is not up to us, the race management team, to determine if medals should be awarded. I think it will be up to the Kelowna Dragon Boat Festival people (like someone already mentioned) to decide if they would like to hand them out.

I hope they do decide something soon for all the other teams in the A finals that did not get to race on Sunday. Heck they already have them so why not give them away? 

[dabits]

i hate this part. i participated in the penticton fest. the week before kel. the weather came up, and it was nasty for some. personally i loved it. with a few minor problems(steerers falling in, flipped boats)the officials so to speak. did a great job. the officials in kelowna sucked. and it wasnt just sunday. it was sat. also. to many people with those blowhorns telling us to many things. and the wrong things. back it down, go to the left. go to right, hold, back it down again. jesus. there are a some great steersman out there. these guys act as if they are in the boat steering it. the fact is they are so busy telling others what to do they forget what they should be doing. the womens platinum A division start was a joke. officials again. and it wasnt even bad weather for the steerers that were out there. mana wahine walked away without even a challenge. and it wasnt the only heat that was ruined as a result the officials. as a commercial fisherman i am here to say that i totally respect weather to the point that i rely on it. that also means i am open minded to change. these guys wouldnt take any advise from the people that live and practice on the lake. there are many reasons for venting in such a matter. i wanted to let the people know that not one lady on my boat complained about the weather. or how wet they were. they were there to to race. after all, they praticed hard for it.

[Propeller]

Ah, don't you just love racing? we didn't even get to race in the Women's final, oh yeah, it gets better... we were the boat that bumped into another boat, trying to line up! then the officials said no lanes, and all the steerspersons were yelling at each other. then the race started and our 'fill-in steerperson' told us to 'hold the boat' and we did! for the 250 sprint, our time was like 2 minutes....something! Holy MOly, talk about establish a reputation! Our team was churning... and i'm not talking about the water! It was an ODD end to our first race season, but memorable.  In the end, racing is important, but safety is first!  We LIVE TO RACE AGAIN!

[ian]

hope they do decide something soon for all the other teams in the A finals that did not get to race on Sunday. Heck they already have them so why not give them away? 

The medals are not dated , they could save them for next year,, lol

[BernMan]

hope they do decide something soon for all the other teams in the A finals that did not get to race on Sunday. Heck they already have them so why not give them away? 

The medals are not dated , they could save them for next year,, lol

Geez Ian! I knew they were not dated.  And I chose not to bring that up because it would make them look, uh, a bit cheap. Especially if that is what they decided to do. I mean do they think they are going to save a few measly bucks this year and p*** off teams who are rightfully owed some bling?? Me thinks the risk of not coming up with a decision ASAP about the medals could result in teams not coming back to Kelowna next year period! I truly feel that they will ask the guru with the race times of all the teams' races to give the results to the organizers and they will probably mail out to the top 3 teams in each division. Just my 2 cents worth of course.

[kryssee]

i hate this part. i participated in the penticton fest. the week before kel. the weather came up, and it was nasty for some. personally i loved it. with a few minor problems(steerers falling in, flipped boats)the officials so to speak. did a great job. the officials in kelowna sucked. and it wasnt just sunday. it was sat. also. to many people with those blowhorns telling us to many things. and the wrong things. back it down, go to the left. go to right, hold, back it down again. jesus. there are a some great steersman out there. these guys act as if they are in the boat steering it. the fact is they are so busy telling others what to do they forget what they should be doing. the womens platinum A division start was a joke. officials again. and it wasnt even bad weather for the steerers that were out there. mana wahine walked away without even a challenge. and it wasnt the only heat that was ruined as a result the officials. as a commercial fisherman i am here to say that i totally respect weather to the point that i rely on it. that also means i am open minded to change. these guys wouldnt take any advise from the people that live and practice on the lake. there are many reasons for venting in such a matter. i wanted to let the people know that not one lady on my boat complained about the weather. or how wet they were. they were there to to race. after all, they praticed hard for it.

Funny how 2 teams in the same final experience two different things. I couldn't disagree with you more..about the Platinum A final, anyhow. But, I do agree with you about the yelling to steers for too many corrections. Although there were glitches and problems, our team had fun and were happy with our standings at the end of the weekend. Our biggest complaint would be the dock officials pulling our 7 year experience steersperson off the boat before the Women's platinum a semi..and screaming at us like we were deaf children from the dock. Yes, we heard the f-bomb several times and they assured us that if we didn't come back we would be disqualified. It was quite frustrating. Luckily, our team is positive and has integrity, and everyone kept their chins up and raced. Oh..did I mention that they sent us out to race the heat by ourselves? lol Ya, the semi wasn't so organized..but the final was much better compared to the alternative!

[Backward Rowing]

Bernman: Accumulated times only works if conditions in each race were the same for each participant (ie. Sat AM, Sat PM, Sun AM).  Sunday AM was really bad at 8am and okay paddling by noon.  Although the wind did not change direction, its speed certainly did and same with the waves.  Unless you want to use Power Demon's method of median race times versus statistical deviations... then see teams complain.

dabits: A captain's meeting was called at 10am Sunday to explain the situation and the "new rules" of how they were going to run the rest of the festival.  They explained the open lanes, 225m course, etc at that point.  Why official boats are there, to make sure boat run a safe course.  Believe me, it is different in Ontario, and there are more complaints about it.  Unless you feel the officials made you do a 1000m zig zag, chances are the waves and wind was pushing a boat into the other boat's line.

paddlerboy: So what, that were the rules.  How many top tier tennis players get knocked off because of their advancement system.  The only system that would work (assuming calm conditions) would be held starts (docks people holding on to the rear of the dragon boats) and everyone racing at the same time.  Not going to happen, at least with open festivals like this.  I may work with invitational only events (like the nationals).  Heck, if I bring up a sore subject, even FCRCC grabbed the wrong flag in the Vancouver Taiwanese, and they let it go.  It's a part of the race, which makes it fun.

Propeller: Sorry to hear about your sterner.  I would of thrown him into the water, but that would make me into a poor sport.  Did you ask why he held the boat?  Were you able to re-race, since they were going by times instead of placement as some boats did in the Sunday morning heats?  Although being an @ss, wouldn't your manager lodge the complaint?

For all the faults of the weather, the organizers coped well with the circumstances and went with it.    My team did not stick around to round 4.  Medals should be given to teams that raced and earned their medals.  For teams that decided to call it a day before the race, why should they get the bling?

ps. I would like to see the results for round 3 & 4.  It is still not up yet.

[goldcap]

Thanks to the people sticking up for me. it was only a question, after all! And thanks for the support, we were quite happy overall for our results in kelowna.

A small tip to some members - re-read before you post and think about how it sounds BEFORE you hit enter.

Thanks folks- see ya on the water!

[blizzy]

Are these results official?

http://www.kelownadragonboatfestival.com/results/2007/mixedF/mixedFp1.shtml

Looks like they figured out the placement for the other race finals.