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[nakano]

I may be out of place here, but from what i as told the start and finish lines were,  lined up for 500 meters.  So when they went to 250 meters no one bothered to check to see if the half-way markers were lined up. (in fact they were not, they were out as much as ten meters and of course who would have thought to even consider checking.  But in actual fact the inside lanes were much shorter.  I'm willing to bet dimes to dollars that lanes 1,2 & 3 were the teams that advance to the finals. 

there is some merit to what you're suggesting...

Semi One (Lane - Team - * = advancement)
1 - Blu by U - 106.xx (sorry, can't read my own writing)
2 - RGL (*) - 103.15
3 - PR2 (*) - 103.65
4 - RCD (*) - 104.16
5 - Masters - 104.59
6 - FODB - 106.58

Semi Two (no times)
1 - Scotia (*)
2 - TD (*)
3 - SI Black
4 - NAVY (*)
5 - Dragnum
6 - CCR

It definitely does tend to show that the outer lane teams did not fare as well... but regardless, its over.  Again, the teams that won the final (from heat one anyway) showed in their performance why they got there...

A little help for rightarm 

Platinum Semi 1 (Buk)

1. RGL United (Lane 2) 1:03.150
2. Pacific Reach 2 (Lane 3) 1:03.650
3. River City Dragons (Lane 4) 1:04.160
4. Masters of D'Zone (Lane 5)1:04.590
5. Blu By U (Lane 1)1:06.080
6. Fresh Off the Dragonboat (Lane 6) 1:06.580

Platinum Semi 2 (6/16)

1. TD Lightning (Lane 2) 1:04.860
2. Navy Dragon Anchors (Lane 4) 1:05.510
3. Scotiabank Dragons (Lane 1) 1:05.890
4. Sudden Impact Black (Lane 3) 1:05.970
5. Dragnum (Lane 5) 1:07.280
6. CCR Crews Control Reunited (Lane 6) 1:07.600

[kms]

Here are the times and lanes # for the semi's in the Diamond Division.  (hope i could read my writing).  I believe each semi had 2 heats of 3.  In the Semi 2, there was a rerace between PPR, Synergy, and Shaggin.  This may have affected their times.

Semi 1 (I believe Buk boats were used)

1. Guardian Dragons (Lane 4) 1:05.08
2. Portland Fire Dragons (Lane 5) 1:06.62
3. Topmade (Lane 3) 1:08.24
4. Splash Test (Lane 2) 1:08.77
5. TCC (Lane 1)  1:09.65
6. EDBRC (Lane 6) 1:10.15

Semi 2 (6/16 boats)

1. Dragon Hearts 10th Edition (Lane 4) 1:03.78
2. Phat Phish Racing (Lane 2) 1:04.93
3. JDA (Lane 5) 1:05.38
4. Synergy Legacy (Lane 3) 1:05.65
5. Fluid Motion (Lane 1) 1:06.02
6. Shaggin Dragons (Lane 6) 1:07.56

[Martini]

What happened to Masters of D'Zone and Sudden Impact ? I would have predicted them both to be top 3. How did the Platinum semis go?

Masters went 4th in platinum semi 1 (in lane 5 next to us) thus not advancing. 

The results of that race are still, and always will be, up in the air... I'm sure they believe they did better than the results reflected (not that I want to speak for them but I know a protest was launched), as did my team.  In the end, it doesn't matter, those are the results and they stood.  Keeping that in mind, anyone that doubted the 3 teams who made it through to the final from that heat would have been wrong, River City and RGL and PR2 went 1 2 and 3 respectively and earned it well in a tough heat against some pretty crazy conditions.

Not to say that masters couldn't have done better, they were ranked 3rd after day 1.  But, they were racing a different roster than that which was at the CCC's due to some of the paddlers being at the worlds... how much of a difference it made is hard to tell as an outsider, but i would suspect things would have been significantly different based on what we saw in Calgary.

The team that was consistent in posting times at the top of the ladder throughout the weekend was River City...  I believe their 2nd heat on saturday they posted a 2:01 and Masters had the next closest time at 2:05 (we came in around 4th or 5th i believe with 2:07)

Sudden Impact I believe went 4th in Platinum semi 2, but i was a little preoccupied at that moment and may have that wrong.

Standings after Saturday were as follows (semi heats in brackets)
1st - River City Dragons (1)
2nd - NAVY (2)
3rd - Masters of D'zone (1)
4th - Dragnum (2)
5th - Pac Reach 2 (1)
6th - Sudden Impact Black (2)
7th - Fresh off the Dragon Boat (1)
8th - Crews Control Reunited (2)
9th - RGL (1)
10th - TD Lightening (2)
11th - Blu-by-u (1)
12th - Scotia (2)

So really, when you look at that and given the format change on sunday, its not a far stretch to say things ended up ROUGHLY where they should have.  Again, a stellar effort by RGL in the final takes them from 9th to 2nd... that's impressive.

As for if Dragnum was seeded improperly... yeah sure they were.  did it make a bit of difference? nope. they made it to platinum and didn't get past the semis.  I for one am not surprised as the 250m format does not tend to favor the calgary teams... after having raced against them for the past two seasons, they are slower on the starts and very strong on the finishes, but that is in the 500 meter distance... Last month in Calgary we were owning the 200m distance but both Dragnum and Gaurdian got us on the 500m in the end, and its all about their killer, LONG finishes.

I'm sorry but I can not let that last remark pass without weighing in. The fact is Dragnum did just fine in the 200 or 250 in its semi on the weekend. The sad thing is this was not reflected in the "official" results. Ours was not the only team to experience this. I know the conditions were poor for most of Sunday but when they ran the Platinum semis the conditions were as good as they had been all weekend. I really would have thought that a greater effort would have been put into ensuring that the premier division semis were run properly. Nuff said.

[mustbecrazy]

Platinum Semi 2 (6/16)

1. TD Lightning (Lane 2) 1:04.860
2. Navy Dragon Anchors (Lane 4) 1:05.510
3. Scotiabank Dragons (Lane 1) 1:05.890
4. Sudden Impact Black (Lane 3) 1:05.970
5. Dragnum (Lane 5) 1:07.280
6. CCR Crews Control Reunited (Lane 6) 1:07.600

I couldn't agree more with the above post.  In this semi, S.I. was significantly ahead of TD crossing the line ( half a boat...) but they were listed as first place.  How does that happen???  Tried to file a protest but to no avail.  That's racing, I guess.........

[spark10]

This is my first and probably last time posting on this website. I've crept the forum occasionally but never really had anything to say until today.  I paddle for team LifeScan.  At this weekend's festival, our most notable performance would have been on day 1, race 2, where we made a sharp left and took a 'slight' detour to the finish line:)  Does this ring a bell to anyone?

Anyways, I've been paddling for 8 years but oddly enough, I still consider myself a novice, a point made alarmingly obvious on Sunday when mother nature had a little tantrum and wreaked havoc on the races.  The activity that ensued with the 250m races, the rolling starts, the fill-in steerers etc., was way too much stimulation for me.  I can't claim to understand the reasons why things were done the way they were but without much behind-the-scenes knowledge, I assume the organizers did everything possible to make the remainder of the event as safe and fair as possible.

My post isn't about how the organizers performed.  It's really just a thank you & shout out to Team Uhuru, a team we never really paid attention to (sorry) until we raced them on Sunday morning.  At the risk of making this posting longer, I'll forego the details but will say that Uhuru stuck up for team LifeScan and without words, encouraged us to stand up for what we believed in.  Without knowing much about the members of Team Uhuru, my first impression is that their spirit of competition is fierce but their integrity is fiercer.  To any members of Uhuru who are reading this:  Don't be surprised if you get a few winks & smiles from members of our team at the next festival.  Don't worry, we're not creepy (not really).  You're a class act.  We hope to see you at the Alcan festival next year.  And you better bring it cuz it's on!  P.S.  If you want to see incriminating photos of your team in the jacuzzi which we took from our suite (seriously, we're really not creepy people), you can respond back to this post and let me know where you want photos sent.  Negatives will remain with us:) (again, we're really not creepy people).  Thanks again from Team LifeScan.

[nakano]

Like usual for Kelowna, finish line pix for Sat.

Not all races have pix available.

http://www.kelownadragonboatfestival.com/results/2007/MixedR1/mixed_r1_p2.shtml

[StraightLine]

I may be out of place here, but from what i as told the start and finish lines were,  lined up for 500 meters.  So when they went to 250 meters no one bothered to check to see if the half-way markers were lined up. (in fact they were not, they were out as much as ten meters and of course who would have thought to even consider checking.  But in actual fact the inside lanes were much shorter.  I'm willing to bet dimes to dollars that lanes 1,2 & 3 were the teams that advance to the finals. 

there is some merit to what you're suggesting...

Semi One (Lane - Team - * = advancement)
1 - Blu by U - 106.xx (sorry, can't read my own writing)
2 - RGL (*) - 103.15
3 - PR2 (*) - 103.65
4 - RCD (*) - 104.16
5 - Masters - 104.59
6 - FODB - 106.58

Semi Two (no times)
1 - Scotia (*)
2 - TD (*)
3 - SI Black
4 - NAVY (*)
5 - Dragnum
6 - CCR

It definitely does tend to show that the outer lane teams did not fare as well... but regardless, its over.  Again, the teams that won the final (from heat one anyway) showed in their performance why they got there...

Except for one minor problem, we really weren't paying too much attention to lane numbers when we were lining up for the 250m races.  It was a case of getting your boat to the line and it didn't matter what lane you were in.

It may be (and quite probably was) the case that the 250m start line was out of whack, but teams were also starting in lane 5 or 6 and ending up in 3 or 4 by the end of the race due to wind and wave action.  I don't recall having boats affected as much when I was starting in lanes 2-4.  For the most part, I tried to avoid lining a boat up in lane 1 because it was too much of a fight trying to keep the boat within the course boundaries.

StraightLine.

[Ronnie]

Platinum Semi 2 (6/16)

1. TD Lightning (Lane 2) 1:04.860
2. Navy Dragon Anchors (Lane 4) 1:05.510
3. Scotiabank Dragons (Lane 1) 1:05.890
4. Sudden Impact Black (Lane 3) 1:05.970
5. Dragnum (Lane 5) 1:07.280
6. CCR Crews Control Reunited (Lane 6) 1:07.600

This is not entirely accurate.  We had three boats per heat for Semi 2.  I can only comment on our heat.  It was TD Lighting in Lane 1/2 , Sudden Impact in Lane 3/4 and CCR in Lane 5/6.  I thought we were first or second when we crossed the finish line by where I was (caller's POV).  The results said otherwise.  However, the River City Dragons definitely deserved their win.  They kicked butt all weekend.  But isn't it strange that they were in Lane 1 in the final race!?!  Shouldn't a strong team like them be in Lane 3 or 4?  Hmm ...

[sinkingboat]

So why do we see the lane bias for the Platinum semis and not the Diamond semis?

[rightarm]

I'm sorry but I can not let that last remark pass without weighing in. The fact is Dragnum did just fine in the 200 or 250 in its semi on the weekend. The sad thing is this was not reflected in the "official" results. Ours was not the only team to experience this. I know the conditions were poor for most of Sunday but when they ran the Platinum semis the conditions were as good as they had been all weekend. I really would have thought that a greater effort would have been put into ensuring that the premier division semis were run properly. Nuff said.

Martini, i meant no offense by my remark, just in observation of Dragnum, and of other calgary teams like Guardian, Crew Yahoo, etc, I notice that the starts most BC teams tend to favor will lead to a quicker jump in hull-speed, but that your crews seem to be able to sustain higher velocity over a greater distance, and generally have extremely strong finishes (much more so than a lot of similarly skilled BC crews)... but then that's just my opinion. 

I won't deny that we too felt the results were inaccurate.  Actually I know they were.  My team was on the short end of the stick, sounds like yours was as well.  Its unfortunate particularly for you guys as I think the festivals only benefit from having strong teams from outside the region, like Dragnum (and Guardian), attending... Without you guys, and River City Dragons, the competition at this festival would have been significantly diluted.

So why do we see the lane bias for the Platinum semis and not the Diamond semis?

Good question.  So far it seems mostly platinum racers are weighing in and of course none of us (i assume) would have been paying much attention to the diamond semis since we were warming up / marshalling / etc while they were running.  Its simply a theory, one which the results seem to support in the case of the platinum race. 

If there is one thing that can be said about Sunday, it is that conditions were not at all consistent from race to race, and when that happens a lot of other factors can be influenced as well. 


Anyways...
Enough with Kelowna, off to San-fran.  See some of you there!

[sinkingboat]

So why do we see the lane bias for the Platinum semis and not the Diamond semis?

Good question.  So far it seems mostly platinum racers are weighing in and of course none of us (i assume) would have been paying much attention to the diamond semis since we were warming up / marshalling / etc while they were running.  Its simply a theory, one which the results seem to support in the case of the platinum race. 

If there is one thing that can be said about Sunday, it is that conditions were not at all consistent from race to race, and when that happens a lot of other factors can be influenced as well. 

It is a simple theory but many people feel that it is the truth. It is hard to argue with a feeling since feelings are not objective. Unfortunately, we have only 2 complete sets of data (diamond and platinum) and the results seem to be conflicting. 50% (3/6) of platinum favourites made the final whereas 83% (5/6) of the diamond favourites made the final.  Would have been good to have some more data points.

[falkyre]

This is not entirely accurate.  We had three boats per heat for Semi 2.  I can only comment on our heat.  It was TD Lighting in Lane 1/2 , Sudden Impact in Lane 3/4 and CCR in Lane 5/6.  I thought we were first or second when we crossed the finish line by where I was (caller's POV).  The results said otherwise.  However, the River City Dragons definitely deserved their win.  They kicked butt all weekend.  But isn't it strange that they were in Lane 1 in the final race!?!  Shouldn't a strong team like them be in Lane 3 or 4?  Hmm ...

As a member of RCD I can tell you why we were in lane one.  We aren't a sprint team and the seeding for the finals was based on the 250m sprint.  In fact the first time we have seriously raced a sprint was in Calgary at nationals.  We practice for more the longer races and tend to do way better in the finish.  I was worried about the 250m and am glad we raced a 500m in the final.

[Martini]

I'm sorry but I can not let that last remark pass without weighing in. The fact is Dragnum did just fine in the 200 or 250 in its semi on the weekend. The sad thing is this was not reflected in the "official" results. Ours was not the only team to experience this. I know the conditions were poor for most of Sunday but when they ran the Platinum semis the conditions were as good as they had been all weekend. I really would have thought that a greater effort would have been put into ensuring that the premier division semis were run properly. Nuff said.

Martini, i meant no offense by my remark, just in observation of Dragnum, and of other calgary teams like Guardian, Crew Yahoo, etc, I notice that the starts most BC teams tend to favor will lead to a quicker jump in hull-speed, but that your crews seem to be able to sustain higher velocity over a greater distance, and generally have extremely strong finishes (much more so than a lot of similarly skilled BC crews)... but then that's just my opinion. 

I won't deny that we too felt the results were inaccurate.  Actually I know they were.  My team was on the short end of the stick, sounds like yours was as well.  Its unfortunate particularly for you guys as I think the festivals only benefit from having strong teams from outside the region, like Dragnum (and Guardian), attending... Without you guys, and River City Dragons, the competition at this festival would have been significantly diluted.




No offense taken - Its just that we did do well in the 250. Oh well cest la vive, see you in San Fran!

[Edm River Guy]

To Spark10 on team lifescan. Thank you for your kind words. Our team believes in fairness and integrity. Your team in our minds, is the winning team and congradulations !! To the team that won the whole Jade division...BAD CARMA...........!! LOL, Anyway, we had a great time and look forward to seeing you next year !  Team Uhuru

[DiggerPig]

I'm bitter and angry  ... Then again what else is new ...

Time to get ready for next year ...

This is no slight on anyone ...  Weather happens.