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« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2006, 09:53:34 AM »

Jody Andrews, project manager for the Southeast False Creek development and Olympic Village was quoted in that article.

All the contact information is found:
http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/commsvcs/southeast/contact.htm

Southeast False Creek: Get in Touch

There are many ways to get in touch with the SEFC Planning Group if you have specific questions:

Mail your comments to us:

Southeast False Creek
Current Planning Division, Community Services
#406 - 515 West 10th Avenue
Vancouver, BC V5Z 4A8

Email the team directly at:
[email protected]

Call us at:
Southeast False Creek Public Lands

Kyra Lubell: 604.871.6863
Michael Naylor: 604.871.6168

Southeast False Creek Private Lands

Hugo Blomfield: 604.873.7559
Grant Miller: 604.873.7447
John Madden: 604.871.6659

Southeast False Creek Project Office

Kirsten Robinson: 604.871.6889
Jody Andrews: 604.871.6859
Ian Smith: 604.871.6857
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« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2006, 10:07:54 AM »

Thanks Paddlebunny....   I was just writing to add the links when you beat me to it.

The public discussions and forums for South East False Creek have been going on for three years + .  I participated in some and emphasized the need for recreational space for dragon boats.  Other people in the community have also talked with the organizing groups at various stages.  Dragon Zone (ADBF) must surely be consulting with them, as they want to maintain a "boathouse" in the area. 

There was a plan/idea to store dragon boats under the Cambie St. Bridge - don't know if it is still active.  Other ideas discussed included turning the East Bay (East of Cambie St. Bridge) into a non-motor zone - with the marina grandfathered in.  The marina meanwhile has applied for expansion.  Don't know about further developments since last year. 

Here's how South side will look (with the island):
http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/commsvcs/southeast/odp/index.htm

Concord is developing the north side.  The present parking lot will become a huge north side park extension of Creekside Park - perfect for holding future dragon boat festivals -
http://www.concordpacific.com/ourneighbourhood/creeksideneig.html

So...  Here's how north side will look (according to Concord):
http://www.concordpacific.com/ourneighbourhood/ourneighbourhood.html


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« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2006, 01:01:41 PM »

UNFREAKING BELIEVABLE!! That is all I gotta say. It just makes me wanna screaaaaaaaaammmm!! Just like my photo!! I am with Guido on this. Set something up. Tell us all about it. Make sure the word gets out and I will be there. But do this fast!!
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« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2006, 01:21:24 PM »

Based on looking at the plan (thanks for the City link) it looks like the "island" will be positioned roughly where the barges use to be.  If that is the case it may not be any worse than having the barge(s) there (for the races at least). I emphasize the MAYBE.

I went to a couple of their planning meetings and I do not remember seeing an island in any of their renderings but again I missed the last few open houses.  Guess I shouldn't have :-0.

I do agree it will be a homeless heaven.  If they make camp there then they won't be homeless will they (LOL).

I also agree that numbers make a difference so plan something and get the word out.

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« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2006, 02:37:40 PM »

There was a plan/idea to store dragon boats under the Cambie St. Bridge - don't know if it is still active.
don't know how that'll work if they wanted them litterally under the bridge.  with the tides, they'd have to put them under the dead center, thereby blocking off any traffic at low tide.
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« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2006, 08:30:50 PM »

Here's a skeleton letter, tailer it to yourself

To Jody Andrews,

With regard to the so called "Sanctuary Project", I've composed this letter to express my concern for your ability to manage a sensitive project such as this.  The idea of having an unregulated park area so near downtown east side  is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. 

As a paddler who spend at least 5 days a week on the water, both coaching and paddling, as well as work at the dragonboat facility beside science world, I can guarantee that, the construction of this island will only become a camping ground for the homeless so common to the area.  Placing the island in the middle of the creek will NOT prevent them from infesting it.  In case you haven't witnessed the situation down at False Creek, there are people living in a tent while floating on blocks of Styrofoam.(I quote paddleboy).  They live under aquabus docks beside science world, the wooded area beside the dog park, and they will live on that island. Being an unregulated and secluded space, it will become a garbage dump for the homeless, and a haven for drug dealers.

In addition, a land mass of such proportion will only cut down the already narrow channel, restricting tide flow, and causing aggregation of sludge in False Creek, adding on the degradation of the water condition.  Venture down to False Creek again at low tide and no moon and tell me that the creek is as wide as the map amplifies it to be.

please do not waste any more of the tax payers money,

sincerely,,

Concerned Citizen

that's my flaming letter, I plan to soak it in false creek sludge and send it with no return address on the envelope, you may copy and paste on e-mail or print out to flood their mailbox

excuse my grade school writting skills
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« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2006, 10:02:52 AM »

I called the Southeast False Creek development office and asked a few questions out of personal curiosity/interest only.

I agree with earlier comments that it may be too late to stop the work since it’s already begun.  However it’s a good learning experience for all of us to pay more attention to what is going on.  Although, in this case the public doesn’t seem to have been given the chance to voice their opinions or concerns ahead of time…..so maybe it’s a good idea to let them know you wanted at least a chance to speak your mind first.  Let's try to keep them honest.

I think the conversation I had with this person made me even more curious as to how the decision to spend $2M for an unplanned island came about.   I realize some of my questions are probably the result of not knowing what discretion the city actually has when it comes to creating and spending budgets before (or if)  they have to get public approval.   (I guess I need to better educate myself).

How much money can the city allocate to a project without the public being made aware first?  The city advised the public of every other step in this process through public planning sessions and newspaper articles– why not this one?  She could not referr me to any documents for the public because she wasn't aware of any having ever been drawn up.

According to the person I spoke to, she said in the original plan (and budget) they were planning to remove some old dock where this new island is being built, and then it was brought to their attention that under and/or around this existing dock there was potential for natural habitat there.  That was the beginning of the island idea.  According to her, it was an organization called B.E.R.K. that originally suggested this island (Whatever or whoever they are- she wasn't sure and I don't know either.)

She even mentioned that not everyone involved in the project internally was expecting this either.  So, who really made the call on this $2M expense?

Additional questions for the city if you are contacting them:

Did anyone actually consider other options before spending this money?  For example:

–   Spending $2M on cleaning up the water?
–   Spending $2M on affordable housing for the poor and/or middle income families to enjoy the new area?
NOTE:  The original plan allowed for 1/3 low income housing, 1/3 middle income, 1/3 high end.
TODAY the plan (according to this person I spoke to) is about 100 low income units and the rest high end.

–   Did the engineers consider the width of the waterway and how much room will be left?
–   Safety.  Apparently, there will be no bridge or walkway to this island.  Only accessible depending on the tide.   --Hmmmm – anyone want to swim in False Creek?

Keep in mind the person I spoke to was not in a position of authority, she works in that department. The best person to get hold of with your concerns would be Jody Andrews as mentioned in above posts.

Maybe they thought it would be a good idea for all the dragon-boaters, squatters and homeless to get together and play the next Survivor – False Creek Island???


Ok.  Nuff said by me.  Have a good weekend everyone  Smile
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« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2006, 11:45:59 AM »

interesting info.  thanks for getting that
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« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2006, 04:19:58 PM »

Would this just be a place for a landfill ? so they can dump excess material into the creek for cheap , and then call it an island? lol
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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2006, 04:29:07 PM »

Ok - so THIS is the last post from me on this subject.  The question remains... will this island affect the Alcan Dragonboat Festival next year or not?

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« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2006, 06:45:19 PM »

maybe we can relocate alcan to trout lake or deer lake
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« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2006, 07:23:22 PM »

looking at the course area today, yes it will affect the festival layout.  they might be able to shift it somehow to accomadate the full 500m, but they may not.  *shrug*

trout lake is pretty gross too, although it would be a pretty cool venue and allow viewing along most of the race course if its long enough/straight enough.  load and unload kelowna style?   never checked out deer lake, so i can't comment on that place. 
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« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2006, 12:16:08 AM »

Deer Lake is a definite no-no Zephy!

I used to be a lifeguard on that Lake when they allowed swimming there (I'm starting to date myself here). But no swimming has been permitted there for the last dozen years or so because of the high fecal coliform counts thanks to the birds there. Deer Lake is a bird sanctuary so if you think False Creek's fecal coliform count is bad now, wait until the birds make use of the new island there!

When I look at the other venues around the lower mainland that has hosted DB events: Richmond, Barnet Marine Park, Deep Cove...none can accommodate the number of spectators & teams that False Creek can.

Perhaps Alcan will have to re-invent itself as 200m or 250m sprint races. Can you imagine doing the Guts and Glory race on a 250m course! Short track Dragon Boating!  Laughing

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« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2006, 06:56:17 AM »

Go to the top man ! Get Sam Sullivans comments, after all at the last Alcan he was there with some pretty positive words , here is his webpage,
http://vancouver.ca/ctyclerk/councillors/sullivan/

email him direct [email protected] <[email protected]
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« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2006, 12:11:21 PM »

Wow!   Thanks to those of you who are diggin in on behalf of all of us who use and love the creek!

Way to 'rock the boat guys!!    Laughing

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