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« on: June 20, 2006, 06:38:56 PM »

I don't really understand how the standing are done can someone explain it to me

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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2006, 09:44:54 PM »

Sorry I haven't gotten around to writting a proper methodology explaination for the rankings. In the meantime, here's a quickie version:

Points are given to top ten finishing teams of festival / regatta. The scoring ranges from 32 points for first place to 2 points for tenth place. In addition, bonus points are added for top ten placments at festivals with a large number of teams. In this case, the same number of bonus points are added to the scores of all of the teams that placed in the top ten for those festivals. The second table lists the racing events that were used to calculate the standings. As you can see, we still have yet to add the results from this past weekend's Alcan festival. Wink
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2006, 10:54:00 PM »

Curious ... Does the Lotus and Portland regatta's generate your team any points?  Just a thought! Sheesh!  Shocked
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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2006, 11:47:32 PM »

Curious ... Does the Lotus and Portland regatta's generate your team any points?  Just a thought! Sheesh!  Shocked

Oh yes... those will count too. Just haven't gotten around to adding them yet... Smile
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2006, 11:02:55 AM »

So does anybody know where I can find official results for the Portland regatta? Razz
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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2006, 11:18:58 AM »

Looks like the Portland Regatta hasn't happened yet?!

http://www.dragonsports.org/regatta/index.html
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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2006, 11:27:40 AM »

Some kind of regatta happend in Portland in mid-June...

http://www.dragonboatwest.net/forum/index.php?topic=3463.0

Actually, a link in the last post of the thread seems to point to the official results. Gee, thanks for nothing, Google! Wink
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2006, 04:10:09 PM »

Suspect this is the festival results you are looking for:

http://www.pksca.com/Past-Results/2006-Combined-Final.pdf
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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2006, 02:18:08 PM »

curious, why the absence of the Scotia Bank Dragons????  Doh!
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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2006, 03:09:56 PM »

As good as they are, Scotia has not yet placed in the top 10 in any of the festivals/regattas our rankings database currently tracks. Only top ten placings earn points in our current ranking system. Maybe next year we'll tweak the formulas to include more than just the first ten placings but for now this is how we calculate it.
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2006, 05:54:36 PM »

I'm totally impressed that you've gone to the major effort of creating these rankings - kudos! So please take this as a creative suggestion not criticism. In future, how about somehow basing the rankings on where a team finishes in the pack, for instance 10th in a festival of 50 boats equates to only top 20% but 10th in a festival of 180 boats is top 6%. This approach removes the need to 'factor' for bigger festivals. Just a suggestion, keep up the great work!
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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2006, 06:41:30 PM »

I'm totally impressed that you've gone to the major effort of creating these rankings - kudos! So please take this as a creative suggestion not criticism. In future, how about somehow basing the rankings on where a team finishes in the pack, for instance 10th in a festival of 50 boats equates to only top 20% but 10th in a festival of 180 boats is top 6%. This approach removes the need to 'factor' for bigger festivals. Just a suggestion, keep up the great work!

Although the link says Rankings, we really refers to these as Standings where teams collect points for top 10 placements... similarly to motorsports. We had discussed many different methods ever since we decided we wanted to somehow compare different teams and we came to the conclusion that other than dumping all the teams into one big body of calm water, there's no real way to determine the ranking of teams. Therefore we came up with this method of points. With points it removes the "one-hit wonders" or the "one festival per year-stacked teams" from placing high and rewards teams that race in more festivals. Now what would prevent a team from entering only in small races to load up on points? Technically the amount of sponsorship and the size of their wallets. There are some checks in place though to highlight teams that do.

We include other information on the rankings in addition to the total points collected to give a more rounded view of the competition
Top 10 Placements - the number of times this season has finished in the top ten in a race/regatta/festival.
Total Races - The number of races the team has attend. This is the total number of races, whether they place in the Top 10 or not.
Avg Placement - The average placement the team achieves in all their races
Placement Percentile - The average percentile of the team achieves in their races. In other words... where the team places in relation to other teams, which paddleho suggested.

With these other values, one can interpret a range of expectations of these teams. For example, if we take the ratio of top 10 placements to the number of total races, we get a rough idea of how competitive the team is (on paper) since it shows how consistently the team finishes in the top 10.

Back to the "big fish in small pond" team that only races for points in small races. Usually a high Placement Percentile would indicate that the team would not place high in races since there are other teams that would place higher (ie. a PP of 25 would mean that on average 25% of the pool place higher than the team). Now if we see that this team has a large number of Top Ten Placements and a high average placement yet has a high PP, it would mean that logically the team has only raced in small races since like paddleho mentioned 10th in a festival of 50 boats is only a PP of 20 (Since most small races range around the 25 teams range, 10th place in one of these races would give a PP of 40). Like all thing statistical, the more data we get, the more reliable the interpretations.

Of course the main fact is that to even be considered, the team still needs to place in the Top Ten of at least one race. These standings are far from perfect, but it gives people an idea of where they're at and maybe even goals to achieve.
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« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2006, 03:28:01 PM »

One comment:

2006 Alcan Regatta Sat - there were only 24 teams in that 'regatta' not 99.  Therefore, no bonus points should be awarded for that race. 

I not sure where the 99 came from because even if you combine all 4 groupings that would still only amount to 96 teams.  However, I assume that the number came about because all four groups were combined and only the SAT AM grouping was given the opportunity to gain points.  That's not to say that anyone other team from the other groups would have taken a top 10 placing in SAT AM (I don't know because I didn't check), but in the reality the SAT AM teams only raced against 23 other teams. 

Anywayz...just a technicality on a Friday afternoon after a long week...
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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2006, 06:20:14 PM »

I now I'm grasping at straws ... but could a team not earn at least half a point for Lotus and Portland ... so hard getting on this ranking list ...  Confused
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« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2006, 06:21:17 PM »

damn fingers - know ... I know ... where is the delete button!!!
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