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[Colossus]

I heard from someone there that the official was a success team member .... go figure  .Not implying anything..... just telling you what I heard

there were a lot of officials......  some paddling, some not

[Angus]

If SUCCESS actually crossed into another lane, then wouldn't the race officials on the officiating boats during the race have witnessed that?

Yes, the race officials were keeping a close eye on boats that finish in the wrong lane. My team did not finish in its assigned lane and the race officials assesed a time penalty on us. We didn't really care because we had just pulled our best race of the year.

Guys, please lay off on Success. They gave it all they had on that final race when they spontaneously dedicated the race (halfway through the race) to a teammate who had passed away earlier this year. How did they do it? Someone started shouting the name of their fallen comrade with each stroke, and eventually their entire team joined in.
Sometimes, when people get the right emotional stimulus, they pull off feats that are normally beyond their capabilities.

How do I know this? I asked.

[Guido]

If SUCCESS actually crossed into another lane, then wouldn't the race officials on the officiating boats during the race have witnessed that?

Yes, the race officials were keeping a close eye on boats that finish in the wrong lane. My team did not finish in its assigned lane and the race officials assesed a time penalty on us. We didn't really care because we had just pulled our best race of the year.

Guys, please lay off on Success. They gave it all they had on that final race when they spontaneously dedicated the race (halfway through the race) to a teammate who had passed away earlier this year. How did they do it? Someone started shouting the name of their fallen comrade with each stroke, and eventually their entire team joined in.
Sometimes, when people get the right emotional stimulus, they pull off feats that are normally beyond their capabilities.

How do I know this? I asked.

Don't worry Angus...everyone HATES a winner and don't know when they see skilled paddlers.

Success won because of......

a) determination
b) the experience of paddlers that were on that crew
c) the skills of those paddlers
d) the desire to win
e) the ability to know how to win

5 of those paddlers combined had more than 65 years of experience. 3 of them had won in Vancouver more than once.  

If you were in that final race....there was no way anyone was riding wash.....if anything....all 6 boats were battling a wake that went across the race course from almost the start to mid way.  The conditions on the water were rougher than they were on Saturday.  The bow wake coming off the water on some of the boats was the highest I had seen it all weekend.  Our strokes were battleing the wake for more than half the course.  We on the left were able to catch water most of the time if we weren't smacking our paddles into a wake that was coming at us at about 2 feet high....the people on the right however were paddling through air half the time.  

So....unless you were looking at the course dead on or from behind....you can not make comments or accusations as such.  Paddlers in an opposing boat can't tell if the other team next to them were wake/wash riding....unless of course they were looking at that boat.  How can the steersperson tell if he/she must look forward to steer straight?  How can a drummer tell if they have to watch the steersperson or the stroke rate to determine what to call during the race?  Face it....if they were....they certainly weren't focused in their boat now were they?  

And....thus....because they lost....they had to come up with some excuse didn't they?  Come on...use some common sense.  

Two of the greatest skills anyone can attain is to learn to LOSE with dignity...and learn to credit those that worked hard to achieve SUCCESS.

[turtle_turtle]

Well said, Guido.

[Colossus]

race what you brung, and stop b*tching about the results.  every race, every heat is different from the one before and after it.  it is highly likely that putting the same teams against each other for a race in the morning, again at noon, and again in the afternoon, that the results would be different each time.  "bench/paper racing" is fun and all, but upsets happen.  don't like a result? use it as motivation to train harder for next time.

[meowzers]

Many people, when they lose, blame the winners

[kid]

Victoria teams did really well this weekend! 5 of them making the top division. I believe only 7-8 teams from Victoria attended the festival. Just shows that there are a lot of good teams in Victoria. GD's and Dragonauts were not there. If they were there would be in the top division for sure.

Way to put it Colossus! Every race is different. Success won becuase it was there day. Tempest should have been in the final but unfortunetly they had a bad race in the semis. Crap happens and thats the way life goes.

[coach]

There were some great results and some surprising results. There were some good teams that ended up in Silver and Gold.

In the Silver division were TD Lightning, Drunk n Dragons Blue, and VO2 Max (finished 4th). Normally VO2 is stronger than that. Also Alpha Blue, Uproar, and Ready Jet Go in Silver B.

In Gold was Granddragons, Masala, and United. Masala has been very strong lately so they could have been higher. United was really up and down with their races. They have great speed when they race well but they also had some bad races.

It just goes to show how much competition there is in the strong rec teams.

Drunk n Dragons Green did well to make Jade, which was two divisions higher than Blue (their A team).

Eye of the Dragon was great on Sunday to beat Roli and ssSteam Heat in the Diamond semi and to edge out Subaru Outback in the Diamond A final to finish third.

Storm had a great first race then seemed to be not as fast after that. Their times were in the middle of the Diamond teams, which is still really good.

[KarenRobertsPDX]

IMO lane 6 was unquestioning a speedy lane.  It was rare when lane 6 finished below 3rd place.  It happened but it was rare.

Lane 1 & 2 were extremely slow.  The water is much too shallow in Lanes 1 & 2 for anyone from there (with a few exceptions) to get any chance of finishing above 4th place.  Of course the officials expect those lanes to be finishing 5th & 6th.  But, there should be a chance for a misplaced team to have a great race and finish near the top of a heat.

IMO the better way to run the course is from the middle of the lake towards the shore.  Then the lanes would be more even.  The spectating wouldn't be as good but the lane dispute would be different.  Perhaps the lanes could be spread out then, too.

Kelowna is a fanstastic venue and I loved the racing there.

[crustyx]

Had a great time this year.  Lane 2 seemed pretty speedy to me

In the Plat A Final

SUCCESS won in Lane 2 and Alpha Dragons Red came in 5th in Lane 6.

In the Plat B Final

VIPIDI placed 2nd

In the Diamond A final

Synergy J-Speed placed 2nd

[Rossifumi]

Regarding fast/slow, unfair lanes, it is my uninformed opinion that no one here really knows what's going on.

I can say that b/c I sure as heck didn't stick my head underwater and look around, did any of you?  Judging by some perceptions, you'd think maybe lane 5 or 6 happened to be sitting over the edge of the Marianas Trench.  But not L7 of course.

Conditions for a 'group' of lanes being inconsistent somewhere along the 500m's?  Sure!  

Nothing's fair.  Montrea'ls the most 'fair' I've seen, (closed, fixed) the wake/wave action helped keep teams together to the finish.  my team had their best race time being pulled next to the Wongs.  (That's right, go team, go team, it's your birthday..)

I think what some may be wishing/demanding for is a piece of pavement to do your racing on.

real story:
A reporter once asked a racer what problems he ran into when he came in 3rd place (hunting for the usual setup or tire excuses).  The racer shot right back, "Whaddya mean?  those 2 just rode better'n me, that's it".

You know, sometimes.. just sometimes.. maybe another crew outpulled yours.

[Rossifumi]

Forgive the double post.

Here's what I do know from the Kelowna Conditions.
- Conditions got slower as the weekend went on.
- Favourable wind and visible 'surface' currents especially on the first day.
- there was a bit of chop.
That's it.

You saw 'fast' water.  Well that's expressly b/c of the wind blowing on the surface.  It ain't stirring too much below the surface.  Last time I checked, the wind didn't function like a stirstick.  You should know that (If you watch enough Discovery Channel) currents beneath the surface can also be radically different.

And no one here I'm sure can profess to say they know what those were like or how much to what effect they would matter either.

More to the point.  In the interests of sportsmanship and purpose, it would do well to focus on learning from your races, rather than to continue griping on about unfair officiating, unfair equipment or unfair lanes.

[Colossus]

You know, sometimes.. just sometimes.. maybe another crew outpulled yours.

 that can actually happen???     hehe

[ARMY]

All in all, a pretty good festival for all involved. A huge thanks to the race organizers, marshalls, referees and everybody else who helped pull it all together. Definitely worth the ferry ride and $$$. We will be back again next year I am sure.

I have to admit that some of the Dragon Boat Queens will give me nightmares that will haunt me forever.  

Congrats to Team Success, FCRCC, and all the others on a great weekend of racing.  Too bad for Tempest having their bad race in the finals, they showed they belonged in Platinum A. But we don't all get the best race at the best point in the weekend. Those of us in Platinum B got a good look at their backs for about 500m or so.  Talk about getting outpulled!!

There are no fast lanes, just fast teams.

[Ducky]

What about lane 3 it was horrible, from what I rember result wise.