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[grifter]

Logically, if you take the two sets of pilings  on the opposite side of the river (one on the shore and one in the water) and extend a line between the two of them you will get a line that is perpendicular to the shore that goes straight across the river.

You are assuming that the pilings are perpendicular to the shoreline and that the timing tent is in that line on shore.  There is no logic in that.

I for one noticed that the shoreside finish buoy was about 30m downstream from the river-center buoy all day.  Forget about the timing equipment, times can be figured out by the video replays.  Something is wrong if a festival can't afford a video camera, tv, and a piece of white tape to put on the tv.  I do seem to recall that there was video in previous years....maybe I'm wrong.

[grifter]

The only problem is, no one knows who won a medal incorrectly....There is no way to accurately tell who won.

[domo]

Good point people, I just think that we all worked really hard for it.
I'm fortunate to be on a team with great personalities and sportsmanship And I show respect to all the teams that I raced agaisnt. And obviously we are there for the fun but we are also there for the competition.

I think that proper equipment should be required at all festivals. If it is for the fun of paddling, I think it's fun to just paddle in false creek and race agaisnt whoever is on the water... why bother paying to participate in festivals?

I came from a place where dboat are broadcast on tv. Where they build man-made lake just for dboat races. Everything has a systematic approach. My dad used to coach and officiate before we moved to Canada. I do understand the need of precise measurement when it comes to races.

I would really like that to be achieved in Vancouver, especially with the smaller events like Richmond.

A good officiating system isn't all about money, but it sure does require more than three pair of eyes.

[BernMan]

if any paddler who won a medal that they knew they didn't rightfully win actually came forward and said, "i know i didn't win this medal fairly, so i don't want it", i'd have to give them huge kudos.  will anyone do that?  not sure.  i know i would.  but i've got an overly large conscious and like to earn what i get.

RIGHT ON COLOSSUS! I would not want to keep a medal if I knew my team didn't actually deserve it. I have never been involved in any such scenario and hope I never will either! PHEW!

[domo]

ditto !

[mew_mew]

ditto !

Nice one sousou!!! lol  

[dragonboatmom]

Okay everyone.. we need a picture posted that shows the other angle.  The picture on this forum is from before the finish.. everyone knows that the team closest to the camera is going to show up as being in front.
To settle this dispute fairly to the teams that won medals, someone needs to put a picture in that was taken from the "right" side of the timing tent.
Lil boat... we'll be glad to re-race that race at the Gorge if you dare to come to the island.  We travelled to Richmond, it's only fair you come to the island.

[tnrogers]

Can setting off a bomb at the GO Rowing and Paddling(formerly known as Foundation 2000) facility be a choice..perhaps they can claim a camera and some computers as an insurance loss and then use the new ones at their next venue......which I believe is Victoria.
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I just joined this website yesterday, and have regretted it ever since..... hmmm, I think I will unregister. I find the negative comments such as above about the Richmond race just plain silly and childish, and think that perhaps these people need to refocus and breathe for a second or two. This is only a sport, we should always expect to win some and lose some!

Some of us believe that the comptetion is exciting, but above all this sport is dedicated to Breast Cancer Survivors and the message that the ladies are trying to get across to us....which is about SURVIVING AND REMAINING POSITIVE DEPITE ALL ADVERSITY. Enough said, and I'm outta here, I enjoy the sport too much to be brought down by this place! Ciao! 8)

[tnrogers]

I have a pic from a different perspective, how do I post it?

[Magnum]

This photo was taken by someone standing right next to the right side of the finish line tent.

[tnrogers]

That's the one.....!

[Ronnie]

Perhaps you have proved your point that a photo taken at a different angle will reflect a different result.  However, posting this photo does not assist in anyway to solving the root of the problem - the lack of finish line photos/recordings.  This photo is also not a finish line photo.  It only adds to the argument that the race organizers should be the ones responsible and accountable for providing accurate results.

[Colossus]

This is only a sport, we should always expect to win some and lose some!

[rant]
there is a difference between losing fair and square, and losing amongst HUGE controversy.  
this is pulling from the bottom of the "in theory" hat, but why not, eh?  in theory, the judges could have already pre-decided the results that they wanted and printed out pre-made sheets from their computer as soon as the race was over.  there was no way to verify the results.  if a judge happened to blink at the instant that 2 boats crossed the line neck-in-neck, and one was in the middle of a power while the other was not, the extra surge from the power series might have been enough to inch out a win, but the judge would have missed it and would be confused as to who came in first.  the two people on either side would have completely different views/angles on the finish and would probably call opposite results to eachother.  what to do, what to do?  
this is where the photo/video/timing equipment comes in handy, to help alleviate (i can't spell, so sue me) human error.  the judges would be able to look back on the footage/photos and see just who had come across the line first.  

you talk about "its only a sport"?  in the olympics, when the rowers are neck in neck, and because there is no photo-finish equipment (again, the "in theory" bit) and the judge blinked, he made the wrong call.  are you going to tell the real winner that its "only a sport" and to suck it up?  

here's a real-life example for you concerning people posting "silly and childish negative comments":
a few years ago, i was ranked #2 in BC for my weight category in Judo and on my way to the Nationals. in my division at this one tournement, there was a guy who had been consistantly injuring (to the point of not being able to compete anymore) everyone he fought.  everyone, including myself, "sucked it up" and didn't say anything to the judges about it.  i fought him, and he yanked my shoulder out of its socket using an illegal move.  he should have been disqualified, but no one seemed to notice.  i was out of Judo for 3 months and in rehab for a lot longer (still hasn't healed properly).  i missed my shot at the Nationals that year because of it.  if someone had spoken up sooner about his use of illegal moves, quite a few people could have been perhaps less injured (always that risk in Judo) and the tournement would have been more enjoyable for all concerned.  have you ever noticed that changes rarely happen when a concern is not expessed/voiced?  
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[BernMan]

I just joined this website yesterday, and have regretted it ever since..... hmmm, I think I will unregister. I find the negative comments such as above about the Richmond race just plain silly and childish, and think that perhaps these people need to refocus and breathe for a second or two. This is only a sport, we should always expect to win some and lose some!

Some of us believe that the comptetion is exciting, but above all this sport is dedicated to Breast Cancer Survivors and the message that the ladies are trying to get across to us....which is about SURVIVING AND REMAINING POSITIVE DEPITE ALL ADVERSITY. Enough said, and I'm outta here, I enjoy the sport too much to be brought down by this place! Ciao! 8)

Awww leaving this forum/website so soon Ms Rogers? I hate to say this but coming from someone who has been in the this wonderful sport for 14 years myself I think it is you that has to mellow out lady! I don't think you even read what I said. I would like to think that my being involved in many aspects of this sport would weigh some sort of positive and constructive criticism. I have paddled at different levels from novice to rec to competitive (and still do in competitive that is!), started 3 different teams of all levels, coached teams in the recreational level from a level C to an A, and I have been officiating races for 4 years now. The point I made earlier was that unless there was an "official" finish line photo to back up the final results you will get people to start questioning them. It is only human nature. Now I am not a psychologist by any stretch of the imagination but you have to put yourself in the other peoples' shoes to see where they are coming from. Now that there was another photo to the right of the finish line tent posted on this site obviously the results seem quite different than the photo taken to the left of the finish line tent. All the good folks on here were doing was just prove it to us and we'll shut up. I know that in all the races I have officiated theres usually some way to back up the findings.

Please don't go away from this site. This site is quite interesting. I just wished I was here from day 1 but nope I only got wind of it about a year ago! LOL I like it when people support each other and challenge each other to do better and so forth. Don't get offended because we are all free to express our opinions without damaging anyone's reputation or slandering. If this happens you can bet you ain't gonna be welcomed here no more. Am I right moderators?

And as for what Guido said I think you missed the part where he said he shouldn't be talking like that. Also if you knew his history he is actually quite a knowledgeable fellow who uses a lot of sarcasim to make his points. So again no offence was ever intended. Don't you think he would have been banned from this site by now even for that comment?

And lastly I am an ex-islander myself. I would like to think that the island folks are very competitive souls and trust you me I know a handful of them that spanked my team in the past years when we raced off and I did take it like a man! So a good win is a good win but you must understand those of us that either were there or were not there but are reading stuff on here, we just wanted to see the proof!

Enough said by me because I am starting to sound like a veteran bah hum bum kinda fellow and I am usually quite easy go lucky kinda dude.

Peace out!

[Colossus]

Perhaps you have proved your point that a photo taken at a different angle will reflect a different result.  However, posting this photo does not assist in anyway to solving the root of the problem - the lack of finish line photos/recordings.  This photo is also not a finish line photo.  It only adds to the argument that the race organizers should be the ones responsible and accountable for providing accurate results.

agreed