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[BlueStreak]

maybe this little excerpt from the ADBF registration package will help clear things up...

2004 Race Divisions

1. Mixed Divisions
- A team member (i.e., Paddler, Drummer, Steersperson) can only be on one (1) Mixed team roster, Men’s and Women’s Divisions excluded
- Boat crew must be comprised of a minimum of eight (8) female and eight (8) male paddlers, with the balance of the crew being either gender (20 paddlers in a boat)
- Drummer and steersperson may be of either gender
- Note: to qualify for the Senior’s Cup Race, a team (paddlers only) must be 55 years of age and up (drummer and steersperson excluded)

2. Junior Division
- All members of a Junior crew must be at least 13 years of age as of the first mandatory practice date
- Junior paddlers require their parent’s or guardian’s consent in order to participate
- Individuals who have graduated from high school but have not reached the age of 19 by the Festival date, may join a Junior team
- Individuals who are 19 or older and who are not enrolled in secondary school are to join Adult division teams
- Mixed teams only (see rules for mixed team composition)
- The maximum number of males allowed in the boat for any race is ten (10)
- There is no cap on the Junior team roster list, however a maximum of 35 racer’s passes will be included with the registration package

My interpretation of this is that the junior division is just the mixed division with age and/or high school requirements.

The race package I took this out of may be out of date, though. I was going through the race format section of it and realized it differed a little from the race format used this past weekend...

[Photog]

maybe this little excerpt from the ADBF registration package will help clear things up...

thanks for the info, but like I said before,

just my humble opinion and critiscm of "the system".

So in my opinion, again, you should be either a Kid or an Adult. You can't be both, though some of us truly are (myself included).    

[DBWTim]

Here's something we never talk about. Juniors. What did everybody think of the junior teams this year? Once again, laoyam dominates. Just wanted to know what everyone else thought.

The junior division for the last couple years has pretty much been pretty predictable with the Laoyam Eagles coming in First and Hamber placing either 2nd or 3rd... I'm not taking anything away from the teams but I would say that the majority of the junior teams are pretty much there for fun and probably don't take their training as seriously as Laoyam and Hamber.
What I have to ask is what other high school sport would you be able to do well and earn a chance to represent your country in an international level event? In dragon boat, junior teams can enter into the World Club Crews Championships... And with the Club Crews in Toronto in 2006, that should be a great reason for current Grade 9 and 10 students to jump at the opportunity to pick up the sport. I'm surprised that high school students haven't yet jumped at the chance to strive for this. The Eagles are pretty much established as a favorite for the event and Hamber's got quite an impressive program that I can only see bigger and better things coming from that school.

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I'm surprised that high school students haven't yet jumped at the chance to strive for this.

i believe there are too many variables involved to blame everyone else for not striving.
for example, the quality of the coach, and the school population - it is fair to say there is a smaller crop of potentially great athletes in schools with lower populations - for this exact reason, school teams such as tennis and football are split into divisions based on school population.
As for Laoyam, they're a miracle bunch of kids led by an olympic medalist right?  

[turtle_turtle]

I thought my eyes were deceiving me a few weeks ago at Alcan when I saw Laoyam Eagles place 1st in Comp B, and 1st in Junior A.  Never knew a team could do that and be entered in the Junior and Adult division. Just wanted to say it's an amazing feat for these younguns!

their average age is grade 9

That was last year, so it means the majority of them would be in grade 10 now... somehow I don't think this information is correct. I would say that the majority of them (last year as well) are in their senior years, grade 11 and 12.  Anyone have any info on this?

[Ronnie]

Eagles defend dragon boat title… again

Falcons make high school final, as Pemberton teams clean up

Published Date: 2005-06-23   Time: 11:00:34

By Andrew Mitchell

After capturing their sixth consecutive title in the Alcan Dragon Boat Festival’s high school category, coach Dr. Hugh Fisher is still at a loss to explain how the Laoyam Eagles do it every year.

"I can’t account for why they do so well. You look at some crews and you can see that they can do better because they have poor technique or something like that, but when you get into the competitive class they are all using good technique, the racers are good," said Fisher.

"(In the competitive class) they’re probably giving up 30 or 40 pounds per paddler compared to other crews. Maybe the lighter boats move better, but they’re not as strong either, so I don’t know."

Last year the Eagles barely won the high school title, edging out the Eric Hamber Secondary School in Vancouver.

"That was a rebuilding year for us, and they won by inches. This year they won convincingly again," said Fisher. "Last year we were mostly Grade 9s, and this year we were mostly Grade 10s. There were some older kids, but mostly Grade 10s, and they were up against Grade 12s from other schools.

For rest of the article ...
http://www.piquenewsmagazine.com/pique/index.php?cat=C_Sports&content=dragon+boats+1225

[meowzers]

I'm surprised that high school students haven't yet jumped at the chance to strive for this.

i believe there are too many variables involved to blame everyone else for not striving.
for example, the quality of the coach, and the school population - it is fair to say there is a smaller crop of potentially great athletes in schools with lower populations - for this exact reason, school teams such as tennis and football are split into divisions based on school population.
As for Laoyam, they're a miracle bunch of kids led by an olympic medalist right?  

“remember in high schoolâ€�... athletic abilities varied and perception of a particular sport varied... it's still the same now -  bottom line is to have fun and meet new people.  

Doesn’t work when the team consist of “the normâ€� and the other of “jocksâ€�. It DOES creates a balance between fun and discipline … but they don’t have the same goals  - db is all about team work and the beauty of achieving something together

everything that applies to becoming a strong adult team div applies to juniors. If you have members not showing up because there was a slight drizzle or squeal when they get splashed , complain when they are tired…and when on geminis all they want to do is play tug a war… can you guess where this team placed? XD

 Someone wise once told me “it’s all about commitment and never giving upâ€�
 The “jocksâ€� gave up when they accepted the fact that they are DFL but stay because they've gotten this far there's no good in backing out[also their cap had a little pleasent sit down chat with them] (heh we're all friends no feelings were hurt )
The “norm� give up when they see the “jocks� give up
And then the captain who can never give up – reminds everyone why they joined the team and it’s not ALWAYS about winning…but to have a good time

most coaches are teachers...
teacher are trained not to hurt anyone's feelings - younglings have lots of feelings and exteremly are fragile...
a parent e-mailed me demanding why I sat their daughter out 2 out of the 3 regatta races…and why was she not with her friends and why was she on the other team. "everyone shots the messenger!"
There’s the occasional teacher who dragon boats – in the end it’s up to the students to decide what their goal for alcan XX is.

Some schools just don’t have that hardcore commitment that eagles and Laoyam have

it's too bad  *tear*

[Colossus]

teacher are trained not to hurt anyone's feelings - younglings have lots of feelings and exteremly are fragile...
a parent e-mailed me demanding why I sat their daughter out 2 out of the 3 regatta races…and why was she not with her friends and why was she on the other team.

which is something that i HATE about our system.  we shelter our youth beyond belief.  feelings get hurt in life.  its a fact of life.  we are bringing youth up to think that everything in life is fair and equal and that there are no winners or losers.  we're turning youth into pansies.  they don't need to fight or put in that exta effort to do that much better, cause in the end, "we're ALL winners"

[turtle_turtle]

they don't need to fight or put in that exta effort to do that much better, cause in the end, "we're ALL winners"

hahaha, Mr. Colossus, I could not agree more with you.  Some of us are too gentle with children, and we shelter them too much so they don't know what it feels like to get hurt (be it emotional or physical), so when they finally do get hurt, they become overly sensitive and they can't deal.

So I guess it's a good thing I was made fun of and left out back in elementary school!      

[Colossus]

they don't need to fight or put in that exta effort to do that much better, cause in the end, "we're ALL winners"

hahaha, Mr. Colossus, I could not agree more with you.  Some of us are too gentle with children, and we shelter them too much so they don't know what it feels like to get hurt (be it emotional or physical), so when they finally do get hurt, they become overly sensitive and they can't deal.

So I guess it's a good thing I was made fun of and left out back in elementary school!      

i'm with you, except it was all the way up until grade 10 when i started smashing heads into lockers   people tend to not want to p*** you off when you have a reputation of smashing heads into lockers

[turtle_turtle]

Oh, I understand now.  You were one of those kids.     The ones that have had a bad childhood, thus, when he got older learned that inorder to protect himself (and his ego), he must wear a mask -- the mask of a bully.   And then smash heads into lockers.

I wonder if Mr. Guido has anything to say about this,  he's always got good, interesting input. Sounds like this description might prominately describe his eloquent ways of expressing himself sometimes. Not say to say he is a bully though.    

[DukeRaven]

You guys have to realize that since the sport is open to grades 8-12, there is a drastic difference in the fitness level of the students.  On my team the senior grades usually whop the juniors like whip cream in time trials or work outs, simply because they're over and done with puberty.  The gap is even wider between a grade 12 guy and a grade 8 girl.  Its every difficult to apply the same work outs to the entire team, and if divided, so is the team.  

But then again, there are always the slackers and crybabies that bring the team down...

Btw, while marshalling, Laoyam looked a lot younger than last year, not the giants like SunDragons.

[Colossus]

Oh, I understand now.  You were one of those kids.     The ones that have had a bad childhood, thus, when he got older learned that inorder to protect himself (and his ego), he must wear a mask -- the mask of a bully.   And then smash heads into lockers.

haha  no, i wasn't one of those kids.  i only had to smash heads that once.  it was more than enough for people to stop picking on me.  and then i moved to Thailand, so i wasn't even around anymore.  but i did have a "bad childhood" (nothing like you're probably thinking though), and yes, i did have a lot of agression.  thats what i had Judo for.  

You guys have to realize that since the sport is open to grades 8-12, there is a drastic difference in the fitness level of the students. On my team the senior grades usually whop the juniors like whip cream in time trials or work outs, simply because they're over and done with puberty. The gap is even wider between a grade 12 guy and a grade 8 girl. Its every difficult to apply the same work outs to the entire team, and if divided, so is the team.

in grade 8 i could beat up grade 12s, was in better shape than most people in my school and was as skinny as anything.  

[paddling geek]

Anyways, the Eagles will have paid a seperate entry fee to compete in the Adult mixed division.  There's nothing to stop the other Junior teams from doing the same.

At any rate, it's more fun to compete with a larger pool of teams

that it is, when I was a junior way back in the day, we had more fun at all the regatta's that we were in against adults, it gave us more of a goal. A lot of adult teams then and even now still don't like it when jrs racing against them..

If more jr coaches and jrs want to, I'm sure with in a few years there might be more juniors in the adults divisions or a junior comp level..