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[coach]

On average, what do you think the time difference is between a 6/16 and a Gemini over a typical 500 m race in False Creek.

I think the 6/16s are about 2 seconds faster, on average.

I think if you raced 2:15 in a Gemini that would be about equivalant to 2:13 in a 6/16.

[Rossifumi]

vast majority of times I've ever compared seem to be around the 5 second mark.  Maybe a bit lower, and high as the 10's but mostly the 5's

[coach]

Rossifumi, I think you're right. I did a bit of analysis using Excel on the results from Alcan 2005 Rec A semis. There's lots of teams in Rec A with very close times so I thought that would be best. These races were back to back so tide and wind differences will be as small as possible.

Semi 1 (6/16) average time = 2:14.2
Semi 2 (Gem) average time = 2:17.9
Semi 3 (6/16) average time = 2:12.5

I'd say 6/16s are about 4 to 5 seconds faster on average.

Anyone else care to add their experience? Maybe some GPS users?

[paddleboy]

 It time for the the gemini rants to begin ...let me start

 I cannot believe how bad the Gemini's are and can't believe we even wasted the money to try to make them better and then actually make them somewhat worse
 
 The retro fit is a joke.The obvious problem is the the tubing along the sides ...You would have thought they would have mocked the first one up and then sat in it to test it out . They should have moved the tubing down a couple of inches and then mounted the seat above them .Yes I know the fibreglass where they cut it would have been in the way but you could have rounded out this area to run the piping through it .

 How many have noticed the vibration now in the boats ? and how you can feel it in the seats and how the sides now flex outward because we are all pushing against the stupid tubing trying to get comfortable the best we can .Its quite noticeable in the ft seats  The tubing also  forces you inward if you try to sit tight to the gunnel .And now what used to be somewhat even performance boats are completely uneven .I pitty those who get certain colour gemini's as there is a performance difference now between the boats .Thats right ...some of them are slower than others as we have found out through testing .

 We wasted so much money retro fitting these stupid boats .We all got used to the old gemini's and at least for the most part they were fairly even in performance .. Don't get me wrong here either...I appriciate they tried to fix what was a problem but I think paddlers should have had a some input into the retro-fit and that a mocked up model should have been shown to us and maybe even tried out before they went and did them all......I hope there is a warranty on this retro-fit

 All I have to say is they better be bringing in the BUK's for Alcan or it will be a joke .

 Feel free to rant away .......

[Secret Weapon]

Good to see you've got your excuse for losing all prepared there Paddleboy 

[Colossus]

trailer in BUKs from elsewhere, or use the ones at FCRCC?  i'm sure two BUKs will go a long way in a heat of 8 boats.  i call a BUK for each heat for my team!   8)  i've been "lucky" enough to miss practices out of dragonzone for the last while, and can't honestly remember what its like to paddle in the retrofited Gems.  Come to think of it, i don't think i've had a single practice in them, so i'll shut my mouth now.      

on the topic of ranting though, i dislike the 6-16s AND the modified Gems, and wish someone rich would donate all lower mainland clubs a full fleeet of BUKs.  I think i'd rather paddle the moddified Gems than the few 6-16s that are in HORRID condition though.

[ConfusedAsian]

Just a suggestion, instead of complaining about the condition of the boat why not pay the club you're practicing with a few extra hundred a year/team. Set up like a council of paddlers to over see that the money is spent the way the general paddler wants it to. Like getting now boats.....

But then again I'm barely able to pay the fees now so.........yeah maybe this option is not good for everyone, especially us students

[paddleboy]

 Yes they could do a BUK heat ,there are enough of them around now.Burnaby Lake has some,Delta has some and others as well . Its just a matter of getting them transported here and we have done it before .They could have left the gemini's alone and used the money to transport the BUK's and saved .

 Paddleboy rarely loses !!  lol, and I won't have any excuses. Just have to do the best we can with what we have at the time .

 Anway back to the rant ....Should have sold them and bitten the bullet and gotten BUK's .We made the mistake of buying them and now we made the mistake of retro-fitting them w/o input ...just like when we bought them no input .If we had tried them before we bought them we would never of bought them or at least the 11 seat version .And if we had just reto-fitted 1 and then tried it w/ a decent comp team and asked for their input the gemini may very well ended up with a nicer retro fit

 Ok I'm done...

 

 

[rightarm]

The tubing also  forces you inward if you try to sit tight to the gunnel

YES!
I HATE THAT! BAH!!!!

[Secret Weapon]

"And now what used to be somewhat even performance boats are completely uneven .I pitty those who get certain colour gemini's as there is a performance difference now between the boats .Thats right ...some of them are slower than others as we have found out through testing."  As stated by Paddleboy

I've paddled in a few of these retro-fitted gemini's and I'd like to know just which one's are slower, which colours and who got stuck with them today.  I don't have any issue's with the retro-fit and prefer them to the pre-retro-fit. 

Good racing and a thanks to Mother Nature for holding out on the showers.  Looks like last year all over again, can't wait for the out of towners to make their showing at Alcan.  It's now time for everyone to place their bets.

[adbf]

just like when we bought them no input .If we had tried them before we bought them we would never of bought them or at least the 11 seat version .

Not going to get into the old versus new debate here but just to clarify, the old Geminis were an 11 seat configuration originally so PB you must be talking about a different Gemini  .  Gotta keep your boats and seats straight before making comments.

I did talk to the people who ordered them and there was not a 10 seater at the time just an 11 seater and 12 seater available.  Now how you could fit 12 seats in a Gemini is beyond me.

[seaboy]

So paddleboy, did you have a slow gemini or a fast one in the Alcan regatta final?
Must have been a fast one 'cause you beat DWW, no wait it was a slow one because Pacific Reach beat you! 

[paddleboy]

  lol....it was the old guys model ,lol but hold onto your paddles cause  paddleboy will be in a very fast one for Alcan ...

[adbf]

Rumor has it you jumped boats for Alcan PB, true? Should change your name to Paddleslut if that is true 

[paddleboy]

 

 I can't help but spread myself around ,lol ...actually its unknown at this time where I will end up for the mixed but will definately be on the freight train for the mens  .........