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« Reply #45 on: June 17, 2004, 08:18:59 AM »

We don't have any fancy GPS but our team sure can feel that the Gemini's are definitely slower than the 6-16's.

Also, the Gemni seems to generate greater wakes at the bow. I am no expert here but I think it is a sign that the boat is "pushing" water rather than gliding over it.

I hope wake-riding will not be a complaint issue this weekend.
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« Reply #46 on: June 17, 2004, 08:43:11 PM »

It should be interesting to see the time comparision between those 10+ year old water-logged 6-16's and the latest and freshest Gemini's under official conditons during the festival. Predictions, anyone?
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« Reply #47 on: June 18, 2004, 07:42:29 AM »

Humour for the day, courtesy the Eastern forum ...


the key to Geminis
June 16 2004 at 3:31 PM land lubber
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The vancouver festival is this weekend.

Lots of teams having difficulty with the new Gemini's

what they have yet to figure out is having a faster, more intense paddling speed is the key.

the boat is so light it gets going so fast, but the secret to a fast time is to keep it going with fast strokes.

good luck all
 
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 Re: the key to Geminis June 17 2004, 6:38 PM  


The key to a fast time is to cut these boats to pieces, ship them back to Poland, and go back to the 6-16s.

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 yeah June 17 2004, 9:35 PM  


TRUE THAT!!!!! I LOVE 6-16
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« Reply #48 on: June 18, 2004, 12:22:48 PM »

Too funny; I just found a "FAQ" on the Gemini boats on the Alcan web site. You know something is not right when the festival needs a FAQ to push for the boats to be accepted. Someone out there is selling hard - big time..... I can almost smell the commission.....
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« Reply #49 on: June 18, 2004, 02:29:32 PM »

It's a shame when I hear that Toronto just got a new set of Simon River  Canadian made dragon boats, modeled after the Buks, with ONLY 10 ROWS OF SEATS, that are getting rave reviews prior to their festival.  Of course, Eastern Canada already uses 10 ROW GWN Buks for most other local races.  Meanwhile, we are stuck with these seriously defective Geminis.  

I predict that the Geminis will hurt dragonboating in Vancouver, because at the end of the day they are just not fun to paddle in.   I wonder who the people were who made the decision to purchase these boats - what were they thinking???
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« Reply #50 on: June 18, 2004, 05:24:23 PM »

Apparently the decision to purchase  the Gemini's was mostly made by Greg Lamb and Don Irvine according to this Westender article:

http://web.bcnewsgroup.com/portals-code/list.cgi?paper=49&cat=46&id=249667&more=

In the article Greg Lamb tries to tie in Six-Sixteento give the purchase some credibility. I doubt the "Vinnie" that we know would have involved with something like this boat which could hurt his reputation and the sales of his own 6-16 boats.

Greg Lamb went on to imply that if we practice in technically-challenging boats we would all become better paddlers. Is it the same as saying driving in Yugo's would make one a better driver? LOL

The Vancouver paddling community was never consulted before the decision was made. We just heard suddenly one day that the Gemini's were coming  Sad   Now is it too late!


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« Reply #51 on: June 18, 2004, 05:46:09 PM »

Here is the article as the hyperlink doesn't work.

http://www.westender.com/ and then click lifestyles.

 
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By Lori Kittelberg

Nine lightweight Gemini dragon boats will pose an additional challenge to paddlers racing in Vancouver's Alcan Dragon Boat Festival from June 19-20.

The spiffy new boats, manufactured in Poland, arrived in Vancouver mid-May. During the festival, both Gemini boats and the locally manufactured Six-Sixteen boats used in Vancouver for more than a decade will be rotated heat to heat. The Geminis will also be used in all competitive final races.

"The Six-Sixteen's a great dragon boat for safety and it's a great boat for racing, but logistically it's a bigger boat," says festival race director Greg Lamb. Older Six-Sixteens weigh in at about 950 pounds and the newer ones at 750 pounds, compared to the 550-pound Geminis.

Lamb had Don Irvine, who co-founded Six-Sixteen with Vincent Lo, scope out the Geminis when racing with Canada's senior men's team in Poland last fall. The Geminis are certified by the International Dragon Boat Federation and are similar in weight and size to other IDBF-approved boats. This means local teams training for international festivals will be better prepared to race abroad.

This is a good thing; however, it means paddlers are now working to adjust their technique so their stroke is as effective in the Geminis as it is in the Six-Sixteens. Vancouver clubs Dragon Zone and False Creek Racing and Canoe Club have been rotating the boats so each crew will have ample training time in them before the big weekend.

I'll admit I was wary during my first practice when I came close to smacking the head of my teammate sitting in front of me. Geminis are seven feet shorter than Six-Sixteens, so space is at a premium, forcing paddlers to lean out of the boat-the way we're supposed to, mind you. Dario Baldasso, Dragon Zone coordinator and coach of two teams, says the biggest complaint he's heard from paddlers is, "There's not a lot of breathing room."

With only 20 benches, as opposed to 24 in the Six-Sixteens, teams also can't race with a "split," or a row of empty seats in the middle of the boat. This has some coaches rethinking seating plans to ensure the boat is balanced properly. Since teams could race in both boats during the festival, Baldasso predicts some coaches will have different rosters for each boat.
 
Lighter boats are easier to rock, too. Half a week before my crew tried the Geminis, my coach encouraged our steersman to rock back and forth to prepare us. There was some grumbling that we wouldn't rock so much in whitewater, but the training tool was an accurate gauge of how rocky the Gemini was that first time.

Other differences: As there is no bar underneath the seats to rest your foot on and the seats are too close together for taller paddlers to comfortably prop their feet on, bracing can be challenging. Baldasso says, "There's been a lot of talk about bracing with the inside leg, which is similar to how you'd use the leg drive in a kneeling canoe- There's also been talk that we might shave down the back of the seats." Wearing shoes with thin soles or even paddling barefoot, as he does, can help increase the amount of foot and bracing space.

"There have been some complaints, and I acknowledge that," says Lamb. However, he adds that the more teams practice in the Geminis and perfect their technique, the more comfortable they'll be and, in turn, they'll become better paddlers. "I think this boat, because it's a lighter boat, you have to be a more technical paddler- It forces your crew to get better."
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« Reply #52 on: February 12, 2005, 07:17:03 PM »

what happened to the other forum on the gemini's?  that was great.. i read everything word for word and loved it!  =)
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« Reply #53 on: March 14, 2005, 12:52:10 PM »

As much as I hate to bring up the dreaded G-word since it brings everyone out of the woodworks but , I've heard rumors again that the Gemini's are going to be retrofitted to be 10 seaters instead of the current 11.

When and if this will actually happens is anyone's guess.. I'm guessing the majority of the Creek is hoping for sooner rather than later.
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« Reply #54 on: March 14, 2005, 02:00:52 PM »

My guess is after Alcan since the boats are being used now.  

Doesn't seem as bad this year as last, maybe I am getting use to them or I have a higher pain threshold this year.

It will be interesting to see what they are going to do.  Maybe they figured it out over a cup of coffee  Wink
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« Reply #55 on: March 14, 2005, 04:47:20 PM »

Will they be retrofitting the ones at FCRCC only or all gemini's (including DZ)
It will be interesting to see what they will feel like with more legroom. Being wedged in now sure actually is somehwat beneficial as the it makes it harder to shift around.

i wonder what it will also be like to sit in front and trying to coach a 10 seater.......where does the caller sit?
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« Reply #56 on: March 15, 2005, 12:10:24 AM »

will they just remove one row of seating?  or shift all the rows around so there is more leg-room?  if i'm going to able to paddle at all this season, i hope its the latter.
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« Reply #57 on: March 15, 2005, 12:57:25 AM »

now i'm kinda lost - so what are they going to do? - saw the 11 seats off and super glue 10 on?
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« Reply #58 on: March 15, 2005, 03:16:35 PM »

Take all the seats out and make it a canoe?
We can all get pillows and kneel in it as well!
Hmmmm...... Maybe I better keep it down, they may get ideas......
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« Reply #59 on: March 15, 2005, 04:24:12 PM »

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Take all the seats out and make it a canoe?
We can all get pillows and kneel in it as well!
Hmmmm...... Maybe I better keep it down, they may get ideas......

well, the geminis are light enough to be a limo version of a marathon canoe...  Very Happy

I believe they should be able to just pop the current molding off and replace it 10 seater molding.   If not, atleast try to shave down the underside of the seats so that we can extend our legs without getting huge gashes on our shins.
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