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[Colossus]

You're both wrong, so you can stop the fighting.  If you threw all the False Creek squatter boat owners into a DB, they'd be the fastest crew out there.

[Aquaman]

I agree with that.
For last year's Calgary DB festival, the Calgary Canoe Club threw together a mix of 20 outrigger/war canoe specialists.  They barely practised together AT ALL...and pulled a sub-two minute time for a 500 metre race and won the event handily.

[BernMan]

You're both wrong, so you can stop the fighting.  If you threw all the False Creek squatter boat owners into a DB, they'd be the fastest crew out there.

Hey Aquaman what Colossis said was a joke, sort of. The squaters are the ones that contribute to the pollution in False Creek and I somehow doubt any of them have any idea how to paddle correctly. But maybe they can paddle for their lives if the cops chased after them meaning they could be fast!

[Aquaman]

 
Whoops, yes, next time I will actually read the post instead of skimming over it...
But I do agree with the earlier point in the thread that elite paddlers from other disciplines can kick ass at dragon boat with very, very little indoctrination to our sport.
And yeah, when I paddled out of False Creek (1992-2003), I remember how irritating the squatter boats were.  Not all of them were dumping bilge in FC, but a large percentage certainly were, as reflected by the coliform counts.

[paddleboy]

 Like Rob... I have raced at the 2006 Club Crews in TO,2007 Worlds in AUS and the 2008 IVF Worlds in Cali so I have had a little taste of both as well

 This is a hard question ......if it is a level playing field meaning that the outrigger guys had the same amount of time in a d/b as the d/b guys do it would be tough to call .

 As Rob said it comes down to the quality of paddlers themselves ......To throw a team of awesome outrigger paddlers w/ very little d/b time together as a crew and then put them up against say a world level d/b crew w/ lots of time together then hands down I would think the d/b will win .1 thing to remember is that most D/B paddlers at the elite level also train and race in another paddling discipline

 The problem with the d/b 200 is that it is a high rate, everything you got type of race and not something o/c paddler are used to ,even oc sprint paddlers .The oc paddler usually finds it difficult paddling on just 1 side and the longer the distance (500,1000,2000 ) the tougher they will find it unless they have trained as a d/b paddler or such for a little while and built up their endurance for 1 sided paddling .Another thing to consider is blade size which is regulated in d/b and not in o/c where you can use any width /size you like ......makes for a different game when we are all the same

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC4l4fJbehk

      look at the rates used in the 200 - not something you usually find in oc


   In oc1 time trials that we did o/c guys that were fast in the oc1 sprint (allowing for changing sides ) seemed to lose some endurance ( hit the wall quicker) over the same distance when performing the same distance useing only 1 side  ....sometimes it can be quite noticeable in some and most o/c paddlers will/would even admit they had problems holding on for the distance only useing one side .

 Anyway if all was the same and each had equal training and equal equipment and both were elite crews it would be an awesome race .Every Alcan you can find the outrigger guys throwing together a very stacked crew of outrigger heavies to go head to head w/ the FCRCC d/b men and the race is usually very very close .Most of the oc crew will tell you it was just a matter of needing more time together as a crew and laughing about how long the distance was to paddle 1 sided and just trying to hang on till the end....this is why FCRCC DB guys will usually win . I think its great they throw this team together most years .........Its no fun winning without a battle to the end


 PS- the OC Paddler.com guys luv this stuff .....there is a link to this on their site   ......http://www.ocpaddler.com/node/4536

[Kaohao]

Too funny! I've seen a lot of outrigger guys throw together crews and do well in dragon boat, but the False Creekers are the only dragon boaters I've seen do well in outrigger competition. My buddies did Alcan last summer and did pretty well I think (2nd? Mulu Tapasa and co.), with zero preparation. I believe Danny Ching and some other oc paddlers won the U.S. Nationals last year, but there were dragon boaters in their crew also. No offense, but just among people I know, it seems like the typical dragon boater is more of a recreational paddler. You dragon boaters should just be glad that the Tahitians haven't taken up the sport yet-they'd crush anyone in the world.

[paddleboy]

 As for the tahitians.......you are right ... I'm sure 1 day they may finally show up in a d/b on the world stage and that will be awesome to see

[Kaohao]

That outrigger crew who came in 2nd at Alcan had some pretty good paddlers but it could've been a lot better. It's hard for us to make that three day commitment to race dragon boats, especially w/ so much other racing at that time of year. I think it says a lot about the whole outrigger vs. DB issue that a throw together crew of essentially mediocre outrigger paddlers can come in 2nd at race like Alcan. Isn't that one of the bigger DB events?

[NFW]

That outrigger crew who came in 2nd at Alcan had some pretty good paddlers but it could've been a lot better. It's hard for us to make that three day commitment to race dragon boats, especially w/ so much other racing at that time of year. I think it says a lot about the whole outrigger vs. DB issue that a throw together crew of essentially mediocre outrigger paddlers can come in 2nd at race like Alcan. Isn't that one of the bigger DB events?

Wow..really, dragon boaters vs outrigger guys..who reigns supreme?

Who cares? really...i mean if u really do, start a new thread.
Paddleboy already put an end to this with his last post, so quit hijacking the Water's Edge Race series thread with the flame/smack talk.

Just STFU and paddle!*

*Applies to both paddling sports

[Kaohao]

No flaming-just paddle talk. Thread hijacking? What is dat? The thread had turned to DB vs. outrigger, and if you make an honest assessment, you'd see that right now, there's simply better athletes in the sport of outrigger. Aren't False Creek among the top DBers? Maybe because they paddle outriggers all the time. Check it out-it's a good way to build your endurance-you can only paddle on one side for so long you know. Doesn't Philly pick their DB team w/ an oc1 time trial?

[paddleboy]

 snif............can't we all just get along ( as Rodney once said ) .........lol

 As for outrigger paddlers vs oc paddlers ......its where you go when you retire from d/b !!!!   LoL   ....this should start a good flame !!!!.

How many times I have heard I can't do d/b anymore it hurts my back or paddling one side is too hard on the body or you plain just never make the A crew !!! and give up .................hahahahaha


 Flame on !!!! Poke Poke ->>> ....just messing with you guys ! lol ..I luv both ; ) but nothing like a  200 or 500 meter head to head battle either d/b or oc1 /6

[Special K]

Don't get me started Paddleboy, I'll tell mom again! I'll make sure you get only a lump of coal this year in your stocking!!!

[paddleboy]

 just make sure it says " Quickblade" please !

[James Cole]

So...
I think this needs to get settled once and for all.
What are the odds that LARD sends their top 10 up to BC for at least one of these races?
Can we get 10 marathon folks together to do this?
How about 10 war canoe paddlers?
And of course is it possible for 10 OC paddlers from Sail Sand Point or Jericho or Mountain Home to show up (on time)?
And then there are the flatties...

Bring it!!

[Kaohao]

Like I said, it's hard for us to drop everything for a 3 day event at that time of year. Isn't there a big race in Seattle in Spring? We have a bunch of DBers in our club now, and they're all psyched for something coming up. For me, I grew up on O'ahu, and in the Hawaiian outrigger culture sprints are more for kids and older people. Some guys get fired up for Worlds, but hardly anyone focuses on sprinting in Outrigger. It's just a time thing, mostly.