Dragon Boat West

Outrigger canoeing is a fun and enjoyable way to cross train in the Dragonboat off season.  Sometimes you get to paddle out in English Bay and enjoy the waves.  It's easier on you back as you paddle on both sides and get a much more balanced workout. If anyone is interested in taking an intro course for outrigger please email me at [email protected] and I will give you all the deets!

Yep, interested for sure in some details about outriggers.  My name is Mel.
           [email protected] :?

I agree with pogue sports. It is great cross-training, no matter the season. I've improved my posture and reach tremendously!

Couldn't agree more with the original poster. Outrigger is great cross training for dragon boat as well as a great sport in it's own right. Pogue is certainly one location you can participate in OC (outrigger canoe) but another good place with a strong tradition in outrigger as well as dragon boat is FCRCC. Full membership is $240 and gets you access to our vast array of boats and programs. We're starting up a Novice OC6 program March 18, which will run Sunday mornings and Tuesday evenings. There's also Novice OC1 sessions Thursday evenings. Flatwater kayak should start when the weather warms up. So, while people should certainly consider Pogue, you should also take a look at FCRCC!

If you'd like to find out more, check out www.fcrcc.com or send a message to [email protected].

^^^^shameless plug  :lol:

Yes, I admit it's a shameless plug but at least I didn't go on about our 20 odd OC1s at Alder Bay, our 7 OC6s at Burrard, our access to the False Creek Community Centre for hot showers and saunas, our great coaches, and our friendly and outgoing club members such as a certain Mr. C. No other paddling facility on the Creek or anywhere in B.C. (or Canada?) can say they offer the same. All that for the equivalent of $20/month.

By the way, I should say that some programs charge extra fees to cover coaching costs. Particularly the Men's, Women's, and Master's dragon boat teams. However, all the Outrigger programs are free. If your team practices out of FCRCC, the team gets a rebate for every full club member on the roster. So if the team really wants to step it up a notch and cross-train OC6, OC1, and other small boats, it's a no brainer to join FCRCC just like DWW decided to do.

 :D

then go start your own thread

its a thread about the benifits of outrigger.  if it had been titled "why not learn outrigger at pogue", then yah, kind of out of place.  but with a generic title like that, it leaves itself open to various clubs making shameless plugs such as that. 

Why would anyone mind someone posting about outrigger on a thread called "Why not learn to outrigger". Shameless plug or not, it's all good information for paddlers. If Mr. Right Arm is so passionate, perhaps he can share some positive comments about Pogue instead of playing net cop. I sincerely hope Pogue is successful. More clubs equals more choice and hopefully a growing and more skilled paddling population. However, and I am of course very biased, I just happen to think FCRCC is better.

Anyhow, for anyone still interested in learning about Outrigger or other boats for that matter, you've got:

Pogue Sports
www.poguesports.com/

Lotus
www.lotussports.com/

FCRCC
www.fcrcc.com

Jericho Outrigger canoe club
www.jerichooutrigger.com/

Burnaby Canoe and Kayak Club
http://www.burnabylake.com/


Did I miss any?

On one side, I tend to think that selecting a club is more like selecting a gym.  The closer it is, the more often you'll go, as long as it has the equipment you need.

On the other, coaching is important as well. 
FCRCC has excellent coaches, easily among the best around.
I haven't been to Jericho or Bckc, but I understand they have some great coaches as well. 
Pogue Sports brought on Water's Edge did they not?  Top notch as well, highly recommended.

Pacific Reach does OC. I believe they have moved to Kits Yacht Club and will be co-hosting the CORA Championships with FCRCC this August. Their web site is http://www.rmlaminating.com/PacificReach/home.shtml.

I'm not sure BCKC does OC. They have a great flatwater program. If I lived in Burnaby and was more interested in kayak or canoe, I'd join BCKC.

See the CORA web site for a complete list of clubs: http://www.canadianoutrigger.com/clubs.cfm

For flatwater, see http://www.canoekayakbc.ca/index.php

Pogue Sports did not end up partnering with Water's Edge, but we do have some excellent coaches.

sorry to hear that, that's a great loss to the club then.

I had a good chuckle at all the shameless advertisement!!  FCRCC is a nice facility as I had an opportunity to paddle OC's out of it a couple of times. 

Question #1 - I've only been in a two man OC and one man OC once each.  I'm now looking at buying one.  I have seven years experience as a Dragon Boater but obviously new to OC.  Which OC should I purchase for a beginner.  I would like to avoid buying one as a beginner, current status, and then stuck with it when I want a move advanced model.  In other word something that would last for 2-3 years?

Question #2 - for time trails which OC's are better?  Again this is for a Dragon Boat Team - if that matters.

I have looked at the C-Lion and Fusion.  Haven't tried them but looked at the specs.  Any input would be appreciated.

Digger Pig  :twisted:

 The c-lion and fusion are 2 complete different boats .1 is better for flat water and the other is good for surf.You need to decide what type of water you will be racing in and another thing is your weight .Over 190 the the fushion is the way to go

 To be honest the best boat hands down for our water is the Hurricane .Its the fastest oc1 out there in flat water and nothing else will touch it but you need to be under say 185 lbs to be safe with it as it is a very fragile oc1 . The hurricane is also ok in the chop and you will see in most oc1 races the hurricane is the most popular by far and its reasonably priced and comes fully optioned inc covers .In the same class is the Pegasus ( which I have ) which is almost as fast as a hurricane in flat water but will bury a hurricane in surf ....its the best of both worlds really.Also in the same class is the Huki v1-x or z ,the fuze and a couple of others .If your over say 190 than the boats for you are the Fusion,Polaris and many others

 I had a hurricane and it was awesome but buried itself in bigger waves - nosed in ,the Pegasus gave up a little in the flats to the hurricane but once the wind kicks up it shines and will outperform the hurricane .If I were to invest in a oc1 hands down it would be a hurricane ............you'll never need another oc1 and the pricing is awesome .Contact Pogue Sports as he has a cheaper fibreglass version aval somethimes and its as nice as the all carbon and almost as light ...witin a couple of pounds .The benefit is fibreglass is much cheaper to repair than carbon

Thanks paddleboy ... I'm 207 ...

To be honest the best boat hands down for our water is the Hurricane .Its the fastest oc1 out there in flat water and nothing else will touch it but you need to be under say 185 lbs to be safe with it as it is a very fragile oc1

Does that mean I should stick with the fusion?  I hope lower my weight but 23 pounds might be a little ambitious.   :cry:

I would go see Ryan at Pogue sports.  He has a variaty of options.   I am 205 and have a Hurricane (fiberglass model)   I think the Hurricane is rated up to 210, but don't quote me on that.  The Kiamana is a good boat as well. 

 The hurricane is rated to around 180 lbs actually ...........just watch for cracks around the seat .They have been known to collapse in the area behind the seat w/ heavier paddlers w/ the carbon models .I tried the fusion and it was okay ,it felt really big though but picked up the small bumps easy .......

 I'm just getting more comfortable and faster on my pegasus ......its taking a bit of time trying to figure out what makes it work best but each time I race I get a little faster than the time before .The Pegasus can take a larger paddler no problem and it may be 1 to consider but its also more pricey

 I have tried the kiamana and wasn't a big fan of it.It's rigging is loose and sloppy compared to the Pegasus and Hurricane but I understand there is a new version coming out so maybe its better .

 So magic................used the hurricane yet ?

According to the Maui Fiberglass website the "Designed displacement" is 210 lbs.   

No I have not had mine on the water yet as there is still too much ice.      Will be paddling all next week in Arizona though   Can't wait.  Stocking up on sunscreen and Ibuprofen.

they must have updated it ....last yr it was like 180 ...Mike obvious trusts the new seams better than before

 Must be nice  8))

random thought...

bicycle designers in their never ending quest for light'n'strength always have to take care to strengthen the top tube. 

not for the rigors of sprinting or highspeed switchbacks, but for the equally important task of supporting one's ass.  Since nearly almost everyone sits on their frame at one point or another during a training ride.

I assume somewhere along the way these OC designers put some thought into building up the durability of everyday rigging/de-rigging, and general abuse.

when you assume, you make an ASS out of U and ME.  :lol:

I have seen some topics going around that I might be able to help with in an none product way.  The trick to sizing yourself for a boat is not weight first, but almost last.

no matter what boat your are in, hull design and style of paddling will affect you the most.  Second thing is size, more than weight.  If you are 6' 6", but 190 lbs, a Hurricane may be too small, but if you are 6' and 210, a Hurricane may be fine.

Hurricane is rated 190 and less, but top guys are running at 220 in Hawaii and kick ass.
Kaku Boats are rated at 180 + and the new Kaianalu is 180 -
Huki is the most flexible where as long as you are under220 it is a good ride.
Outrigger Connection is the same where the fuze or Fusion is rated at 180 - 190 -+. 

Here is the kicker, a Kaku or Outrigger Connections will be fight in flat water which is where we paddle.  Regardless of your weight.  You can add the Pegasus to this list a well.

Huki and Hurricane are great flat and bumpy water boats.  One boat kills me and my ass, the other doesn't.

Find a boat that is rated for the type of paddling you want, then make sure it is comforatable, and then and only if you are over 200 -210 should weight really be an issue.

Hope this help.  Feel free to call to chat about any boat or tech info, I love talking boats

Ryan Pogue

Ryan, when are the kaianalu's available?

You may want to email Ryan directly...he doesn't come on here often...wow-this thread went a lot further than I thought it would!

you colossus ass! :lol:

quit the useless banter on the forums, or i'll post photos of last night. haha   :oops: