Dragon Boat West

Another season is passed, and another year is upon us. With that, the dragon boat season starts again. While we are not inexperienced paddlers to say the least, we are a new team.

We are recruiting new paddlers for this coming season. Our practices are  scheduled to be Mondays/Thursdays, 6:10pm at Dragon Zone. Still debating when to start (Mid-Feb / Early March). If this fits your schedule, please give us a shout at [email protected]

We're looking for fresh paddlers, and experienced paddlers.. being able to hold your liquor is always an asset. The beer cooler is always stocked after practice..

Events we hope to attend this year:

  Alcan Regatta
  Alcan Dragon Boat Festival
  Kelowna Dragon Boat Festival
  Victoria
  Naniamo
  Harrison hot springs
  White rock (if it's on again)
  + many more..

~Name TBD
(apparently, Toronto already has an Aquaholics DB team)

:Cheers:
Hi there!

I am an experienced paddler on a corporately-sponsored team, but I'm looking to have more fun.
 Our team is too rigid and dominated by corporate rules and restrictions.

 I don't want to stop Dragonboating and if it does not cost too much, I'd like to join an independent team, with fun people, where we all have a say in things.

How much is it for the season?

Is the after-practice beer included?

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Tex Messenger 8)

Hi

Looking for an kickass fun team to join for 2006.

You have to be able to keep up with me, though, on and off the boat.
Is this a mixed team - I hope so!

I had such a goooood time at Flashbacks in Kelowna this year and I want to be sure the team I join is going there.

I'm a single gal who likes to party, so your fees better leave me enough left over for the bar after practise. How much is it to join???

If the beer cooler is gratis, then sign me on!

Better grab me  :D before someone else does, wink!

PB

Hey Duckman!

I just looked at your profile. Are you recruiting for the Drunken Dragons?

I thought you said a "new" team. I think they've been around for awhile. Are there two teams with the same name?

Tex

Tex, I know what you mean. This is supposed to be fun, right?  It sucks to be bogged down by rules & restrictions.  My old team had a captain and a coach that decided everything.  Even when we voiced our opinions they were completely ignored.  I won't paddle on a team like that again.  Hey, we pay THEM, right?

I'm quite eager to hear about this new team.  Sounds like they're well organized and looking to keep their members happy and that's very important to me.

I'd like to know the fees too though Duckman listed a lot of festivals so I can't imagine it will be cheap to join.  Independent teams usually have to charge more.

Guess it's a trade-off.   Corporate = cheaper but less freedom.   Independent = expensive but you make your own rules!

-AE
P.S.  Duckman, have you found a new name yet?

Who's the coach?

Oh Wow. . Lot's of reply's . I'll try to answer all your questions in the next day of two, it's a busy weekend. We are working on the fees and will hopefully have the information ready for by tomorrow night.

It IS a mixed team. Our name is tentitively "Fluid Motion". Can't say for certain though.

We have Ben Lee aka "Leathal Weapon" coaching us thursdays and we are still debating about what to do for mondays.

As for the costs, you are by no means Required to attend all the events, we have no qualms about taking on a few paddle sluts to fill seats for events. ;) We will definitley "encourage" you to come to alcan and kelowna though.

It will be possible to pay fees by credit card, cash or cheque. whatever. no amex though.  We have a few sponsorship opportunities that we are pursuing.

btw, going Flashbacks is a requirement in kelowna ;).

If you PM me or email me your email addresses, I will send you the fee information when it's ready.

thanks guys

Oh yea.. some of us used to be on the Drunk's but no longer. Guess I should update my profile. :-p

You mean the fees don't cover the festivals????   Man, that's gonna jack up the cost when you add it all together.

Sorry, guess I don't know how to manipulate this Quote function properly...

AlterEgo wrote:
"My old team had a captain and a coach that decided everything. Even when we voiced our opinions they were completely ignored. I won't paddle on a team like that again. Hey, we pay THEM, right? "

Wow, that's a good thought!
 Duckman, who gets paid on your team?
 Do they call the shots?
 How much of your fees go to administration and how much to coaching?
I know independent has to be more than corporate, but I don't want to be paying for someone else to have a free ride.

AlterEgo wrote:
I'm quite eager to hear about this new team. Sounds like they're well organized and looking to keep their members happy and that's very important to me.


Hey AE, what have you heard about this team?
It sounds good to me that they want to keep their members happy and I hope that means things are decided in true Democratic fashion - ie, everyone gets a say in team decisions.

If that's not the case, I might as well stay on a corporate team.

It sounds good Duckman, but I'm looking around until I hear a price.
Tell us more. Sounds like you guys have the right idea and if the price is reasonable, this makes the sport more accessible to everyone, and more fun to boot.

Cheers,
Tex

Tex, I haven't heard anything except what's been posted here.  So far, sounds pretty good and the days fit my schedule but I'm not making up my mind until I know prices.  I also wonder how the one day per week coaching arrangement will work.  Will there be someone taking Ben's place or does the team have to run those practices on their own?  If so, the price will probably be cheaper because there's half the coaching.  

I'm just really tired of all the BS on the pond.  I'd love to see a fresh face on the water that can keep all their members happy and not have to deal with all the politics I see everywhere else.  

Shouldn't be too hard since it's a new team.  Get input from the beginning from everyone and then work around what works for them.  8)

P.S.  We seem to have hijacked your thread, Duckman.   This is a good discussion, though, don't you think?   :wink:

MR. DUCKMAN - way to go!  

Just want to say that  this is going to be a "FUN" team that is dedicated to paddling and all members have the say....no one but the coach gets paid!  that administration thing well it sucks and not having a voice, well, that sucks too...so lets go out there and paddle, have some fun on the pond and afterwards have more fun..

fees - pay up front for Dragonzone, coaching and Alcan - as things come up pay then.  

yes, it is nice to have the corporate sponsor, but not so nice when you have to play by their rules...been there done that!

BEER cooler a must - not free but cheaper than going out to a pub afterwards and also talegate BBQs for small fee (just to cover  the cost of the person buying/bringing the food)....



So, PM Duckman (just to keep it  all together - hope you don't mind me offering your services BTW) if you would like to come on board.

we will be having fundraisers so that should help out quite a bit.

 :Cheers:

Oh.. hey nakedpaddler.. ;)
There are most definitley some philisophical issues that we hope to live up to on the team. Personally, I'm not the philosophical one here so that's better left to the other members to talk about. I just want to paddle damnit.

I Forgot about those tailgate BBQ.s.. but cmon, there's still a few months till that happens, unless you Really want to sit out by the car in february/march weather.. I'll pass.

There is by no means a single one person trying to get this team going. If you do join, we'd love your input on ways to make this team a success.

No one gets paid... don't really understand why anyone would. Anyone who chooses to help organize, it's all on a volunteer basis. Is there a festival you really want to go to? feel free to organize it if you have enough support from the rest of the team, nobody will shoot you down cause it didn't come from a central team manager. At least I hope not ;), I suppose I can't speak for everyone though.

I've PM'ed some preliminary fee's to a couple of you.. let me know what you think.

Hi Duckman

I thought maybe Naked Paddler was your team Manager or Captain, she seemed to know so much.

You both brought up some points and more questions, thoygh.

Do ALL paying members get to vote on team issues, or is it up to the team "Central Managers"?

If the Central Managers get a break on fees, I'd gladly put in my time to help run the team, do they?

What about fundraisers? What are you planning? Where does the money go?
Would this give us free T-shirts?
Oh, and are we getting REAL jersey's? Are they included in our fees?

BTW , Naked Paddler, I don't know how you can be a "Paddleslut" and a "Virgin Paddler", but if your Avatar is anything to go by, I can't wait to meet you in the flesh!

Cheers,

Tex

I've never paddled on a team where anyone got paid except the coach (and obviously the club for the use of their facilities.  Who else would get paid?  It's not like anyone else does any work.

Hey Tex... and others,

Just to add another voice to the mix, Naked, DuckMan, and I have all been involved in trying to get things off the ground for the team, including such mundane things as coaching, practice times, and basic team goals.  

I don’t know that we are going to have a formal a structure or “central” team management.  One of the issues we have had with former teams was that the vision and direction of the team was guided by a “central” figure that we felt was not responsive to paddlers’ needs or desires so we are shying away from that sort of team model.  

Also the idea of a one person one vote doesn’t really work for us either because in a democracy it ultimately falls to a small group of individuals (management) to organize and ultimately determine how things are run.  Equality among team members will be central to our core beliefs and that no individual or group of individuals is greater than the team.  

We want to form a team that the paddlers want to be involved and take the initiative in the growth and development of the team.  

We want to create environment where if you have an idea to improve the team or something the team should participate in you can feel free even encouraged to get other members on board, organize it and then go for it.  We are also aware you we do also have to have some structure for the organization itself to get things done… so if you’re the type who gets things done and you wish to take on an organizational role we would be pleased to have you on board.  

OK maybe Ducky isn’t the philosophical one maybe it’s me?

Anyway to answer your questions about money and goodies…

Does Management get a fee break?  No… we think that if you’re on the boat you pay as much as anyone else… the exception are the drummer and the Steers person… mostly because they aren’t as foolish as the rest of us paddle junkies.

Jerseys? T-shirts? – OK I might get my wrists slapped for this but at this point we still don’t have a Logo… until earlier this week we didn’t have a name.  Anyway we would like to be looking at real jerseys… something dry-fit maybe… but it is not the priority at this point.  

Our feel for jerseys at this juncture is that we know we need them we know what we want for them, we need a logo, and we need the money.  Thought is that fundraiser would be part of this, possible sponsorship opportunity as well.  

Basically we would like to keep the direct costs to paddlers to a minimum and find alternate sources for financing and though it may come out of your or my pocket one way or another if I can get cover and a drink out of the deal then I’ll take the drink route.  

With that in mind we do think that the typical night at a club is a good avenue for fund raising it is not the only one.  We are looking into some various alternatives but I don’t know if we’re ready to show our hand yet *wink* someone may want to up the ante.  Also anyone who joins us who has an idea on how to fund the team is welcome to bring forward their ideas and we can try to get things organized.  

Hummm… maybe we will try auctioning off Naked that should get us a few bucks…

Fundraisers at this point will be designed to cover things like jerseys and additional races.  Further down the road when finances are in place for the team we may want to look at various equipment purchases or ideally reducing the cost to paddle down to a commitment fee.  

Hope I managed to clarify things.  If anyone has any additional questions or want any more details PM me and we can discuss specifics.

Regards,

Funk

Isn't this kind of hypocritical?   You say you're not going to a have "central team management" and then in your next breath you say "it ultimately falls to a small group of individuals (management) to organize and ultimately determine how things are run."

Can't have it both ways.  Either you give each member of your team an equal vote & always go with the majority, or you form a central management.    Life is always easier in thought rather than in action.

That's just my 2 cents.

I believe Paddlefunk refers to not having a "central Team management" run by a "central figure" who does not take into consideration the paddlers needs or desires. I do believe that the structure they intend to implement will give paddlers an equal voice in team matters but like a democracy the final decisions will have to be make by a group of paddlers who would base the decision on the majority of the paddlers votes (as long as the core values of the team are met). This group, the team founders , are responsible to listen the team and act accordling based upon the recommendations of all team members

The team does have good intentions and having paddled and partied (and coached) most of them I can assure you that they are realistic, down to earth, dedicated paddlers (with an affinity to hop based beverages) who want to make a team devoid of BS politics and other influences which take away from the pleasure of DBing.

I have accepted their offer to coach their new team because (divorce lawyers please contact me!....) I see a good hard working core group of paddlers who,  with help from a few more dedicated paddlers (new or experienced),  can make a pretty decent team .

Paddles up and get the F!@$!@$k out of my lane!

Hi Lethal

As always, well thought out, but it sounds like three people will be making the decisions ultimately.

I guess we all need to kno what those core values are and have some indication of how money is spent, if we are really to have a voice.

Are these people cool enough to make the right decisionsand unless there is some sort of cost - breakdown available to us, how do we know if we are getting true value or if the money would serve us better in other ways?

I know some teams actually provide this and it really helps.

BTW, I think "Fluid Motion" is a corporate name and I think there might be a team out there.

Anyway, sounds good so far, but I hope you can figure out a fair way to do things.

TTFN

PB

I've never heard of a corporate team named Fluid Motion, but I don't exactly keep an inventory of team names either  :wink:



Sounds reasonable - though I can't say I've ever experienced a dragon boat team run by someone who doesn't care about the team.

I believe the term was "take into consideration".....Doesn't care sounds so harsh!  :lol:

PotAYto, potAHto  :roll:

This is becoming quite the thread for just a recruitment message.

Really though, What choice is there but for an initial organizational body to exist. What comes first.. the chicken or the egg.. (yea yea,  lame analogy :lol: ) Someone has to set the team up first before it becomes self suffcient.

Hi Duckman and Fluid managers;

I guess Paddle Bunny feels the same way I do.  Is there a way we can have fun AND just vote on things as they come up?

I can understand that it takes a person, rather than a committee, to administer things, but it sounds like a core group will make actual decisions and veto what they don't want to do.

Couldn't you just get things off the ground and then turn the decisions over to the paying members?

I thought that was a "core value" of this team, isn't it?

PB also makes another interesting observation - it WOULD be helpful for decision-making to have a regular accounting of funds available, especially if there is the occassional windfall from fundraising.

I know that a few of the other successful independent teams have had some of their  members who are accountants by trade, release regular, detailed, financial reports.
 
Then everybody knows what the resources are. Do you guys support this idea? Sounds good to me that the money thing is totally transparent and those spending communal funds are accountable to their teammates.

I'm sure you guys are reasonable and responsible, otherwise you would not found a team with these very ideals.

Are there going to be enough people, or is the team nearly full by now?

Looking forward to hearing from you and your fee schedule.

Cheers,

Tex

I think Fluid Motion is a corporate entity too, though I doubt they have a team, the name might be protected.

I recommend this name

Nut Crackers

 :lol:  Make other teams think you're goofs and then blow them away.

Well nice to see we seem to have some fan's...

I think both Tex and Lethal have managed to articulate so much more eloquently myself the concept behind our team "government".  Thanks guys you both seem to get it... and regards to PB as well I think you also understand where we are coming from.  

I think the concept is we want a team of many voices not just one and where there is a shared responsibility.  If you want to do something or have an issue with something don't just sit back and wait for someone else to do it; get involved.  We want everyone’s input.  The worst thing is to find out at the end of the year after everyone had bonded in Kelowna after many rounds of beer someone isn’t happy when you thought they where… speak up.  By the same token if you just want to paddle and think things are going along tickity-boo then please feel free to make your contributions on the water.

We realize someone has to write the final cheque but that doesn't mean that they get to decide how the funds are spent.  And to reinforce Tex's point if we are spending communal funds we anticipate total disclosure.  Oh ya, and for your comfort level Tex... I can manage to throw together and Income Statement and a Balance Sheet if required.

Thanks,

Funk

I would be be afraid.  Are you going to run the team like:

a. A Liberal, where will the sponsorship funds really go?
b. A Tory, where you will only be allowed to paddle Monday through Saturday (Sunday is for mass so most festival are off limits) and after the kids are in bed.  If you are living with your parnter (in sin of course), not a Christian, and not hetrosexual then you will not be welcome on the team.
c. A NDPer, then you will be paddlesluts, selling your votes to further your agenda to the highest team.
d.  Bloc Que, well you would just separate before the team even gets going.
e.  Green, you would have to refuse to paddle in a Teak boat (Teak is an endangered tree) so Geminis will be the boat of choice.  You would have to use carbon fibre blades unless you can get your wooden blades made out of used 2 by 4s. You cannot have anything that is natural.
f.  Republican, you would run a deficit, sponge off of your parents, friends, etc until you finally go to war to over throw the Alcan board and take ownership of all the DBs at Dragonzone.
g.  Democrat, you would not have sexual relations with anyone even if they are in a blue dress.

Of course, whoever holds the power can easily get corrupted by the power, Brian Mulroney's government was just a corrupt as the current government except they never got caught.

Good luck on the new team but your ideal commune boat will be just like every other team, poltics and team dynamics will be just as big  :shock: .  Regardless of what is hoped for, that is human nature.

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

BTW, so is this new team in lieu of Swordfish?  Inquiring minds want to know  :wink: .

No, we'll be making our recruitment post a bit later.  Enjoy the holidays!  :)

Tiger.. bro, that's Hilarious.  All to often there ends up being a Bloc contingent somewhere on the team though ;)

Whatever happens, if our ideas are met or not. I'm looking forward to getting this team going. Can't wait for practices to start, if you want to join us please let us know and we'll send you all the information we have. PB, AE, Tex, TT and whoever else is out there.. It'd be great to have you guys on board.

I suppose we'll be asking for commitments pretty soon to and with that we'll send out a roster, maybe book at a restuarant at some point to meet everyone. I'd prefer that was Before jan 15th though. How does the buffalo club sound?  8)

what do you think?

Sounds good, can't wait to meet you.  Buffalo Club would be fine by me.

Buffalo Club....Sundays $2.50 Coronas and Jack Daniel shooters......I'm In!

BTW Tiger, Swordfish has my a$$ for at least another season...!  :P

Who says Tickity-boo???  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

 :wink:

Are you the Bloc of D'nD  :shock: or should we say Bloc de Dragons?

 :lol:  :lol:

We don't have to commit before meeting everyone, do we?   How full is your roster now?  I don't care about names, obviously, just wondering if I have time to think about it or if you need immediate commitment.

[Shudder]  Team government  [shudder]   Now there's a way to scare away new paddlers.

no, it is shiver shiver when you get  off of the water in February.

:lol:  nakedpaddler!

Ok,
I think I know the score here:

$250 gets us

2 practices a week
coaching on both days
Alcan Regatta
Alcan Fest.[/list:u]

$250 is pushing it a bit for me. I wish it was a bit less. Do we get a professional experienced coach each day?

I understand that Ben Lee of Swordfish is coaching one day a week.
 Is he a pro?
Do we have to pay him?
I thought he was with Swordfish!?

Is this a swordfish team???

PB Perplexed :wtf:

Hi PB

Maybe I can help you?

Ben Lee is good and has been coaching Swordfish. He has to be paid, but I don't think he can do both nights.
My understanding from Duckman's short team boi and recruitment and the stuff from Lethal (Ben) and P Funk, is that these guys are close with Ben.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Duckman, but Swordfish wanted a "B" team that was more fun-oriented with a greater number of novices and their own distinct identity. Hence, "Fluid Motion".
I think they are not meant to be as competitive as the regular Swordfish team, but will have the same coach.

If there is more direct member involvement, too, then I'm onboard!

See ya later, L'il Missy,

Tex

Thanks, Tex :D

What you say makes sense - guess I shudda figured that out myself.

I wonder who the guest coach would be? If we're paying for Ben on two nights, but only getting him for one, with a second-stringer to fill in, I would like to save a little in fees.

How do you feel?

Any ideas? msn(k)

PB

Well,

maybe they could throw in the team jerseys with the extra money.

I'd really like that.

Which reminds me, I wonder if we'll have t-shirts or whatever, come Race Day???

$250 is OK for me, but I think we need two good days of coaching. I would even pay more for that, but I know not everyone can.

What do you think of financial reports? Some of us think there should be full formal disclosure on a regular basis.

Cheers,

Tex :Cheers:

AaaAHh. . Noope not quite right   :wink:

Ben is coaching for something like 4 or 5 teams this year if i'm not mistaken, is this right Lethal? A couple in fort langley, the fishies, and us. Besides the fact that naked paddled with the fishies for a festival or two last year, that's our only connection to em.  Completely different team..

Ben will be paid for the thursday practice, and another coach for the monday practices. We've approached a couple alternate coaches already. Soo.. I guess to clear things up, We only pay ben for the one night.

Hey Duckman, guys, Funky Manager;

How 'bout that?

Can you include jerseys or T-shirts, at least?

Makes you feel like you belong and are getting something tangible for your money. I will wear it proudly, and believe me, people will notice!!! :D

See ya Tex and Others msn(k)  msn(k)  msn(k)

PB

I completely agree with you Tex. I want to know where my money is going. I'd like complete disclosure. Say after funds collection from paddlers, a report will be sent out, as well as after any cash disbursements or fundraisers. I suppose it could work that way?

As for team jerseys, we know an artist so hopefully we'll have a kick ass logo to put on them. We will definitely have jerseys by alcan. We are hoping that fundraisers will cover these or if we find a sponsor to assist us.

Welll Jeeeezz, Duckman;

Ya gotta be more clear.

So are we paying for coaching on one night or two?

Tex

Eiiy..

in the $250 there are funds allocated for both Monday and Thursday.
We will be paying for both days, Ben gets paid for thursdays, another coach get paid for mondays.   :wink:

Ok

THAT'S clear.

Who are you thinking of?

T.

Ok.. anyway I have to get back to watching the Hockey Game ;)

Yeah,

My Mom's callin' me

Oh, yeah,
I like that financial reporting. Better let P. Funk know.

Thanks,

Tex

I suppose I should remove the names, sorry. We haven't actually decided on a specific person yet. If you have any ideas, let us know.

OK replies for the day...  :lol:



I think you finally understand that's what we are trying to say.  Notice government in quotes... NO formal government, hierarchy, or ruling class.  We should all be peers... everybody equal.  Do what you can to make the team better but most of all have fun and move as far away from the politics as possible.  



OK I'm going to clarify before Duckman gets a chance.  First off... as far as I'm concerned we are out to be as competitive as possible.  If we're not as fast as the fish so be it but we're a first year team we may need some time to gel.  But after that... Fish fry  :twisted:  :P  no offence fishies.

As for being affiliated with the fish... though some of us have paddled for them as guest paddlers we are NOT directly associated with them...   We are independant from pretty much every way other than a common coach.  We have nothing against the fish and some of us even considered joining them... well noting except their lack of a cooler after practice.



I have talked to a couple of potential guest coaches and have a few more I would like to check out rates with.  The $250 allows for that... we haven't commited to anyone yet so "guest" coach suggestions would be appreciated.  Sooo if there is good coach you know that isn't busy Mondays at 6:00 and we can afford them I'm game.

OK maybe I'm a little slow today...

HAHAHA.. so maybe I beat you to it..

Fried Fish.. Mmmmm. sounds tastey..  :lol:  :P

Are you calling me stupid?  :silenced:

No I was actually agreeing with your point about government on a dragonboat and congratulating you on making my point crystal clear.

Thanks

Oh, well thanks then.   So nice of you to congratulate me.  :roll:

Really, though, it just seems like you're saying one thing & will do another, partly out of sheer necessity - a team simply can't run without someone willing to stand up and make the decisions.  You don't want to call it a government/dictatorship so you call it a "government."  

Or maybe you'll be able to achieve the ideal ... and in that case, publish a book so we can all do it.

Hi Alter E.

I think you may be over-reacting, but I see what you're saying, too.
I found it inconsistent that PF says that the team is to be run by the popular opinion, but there is no mechanism in place for that and he is very clear that he will be calling the shots.
This seems counter to the philosophy and ethics put forward by Ducky.

I didn't want to say anything to stir the pot before, but now you've brought it up...

I think Naked Paddler has a better approach - let's relax a bit, everyone can play, we all pay the same, and let's just have fun, that's what we're here for.

Meanwhile, let's not be so hard on PF, Alter. I think he's just a bit too protective, only because he wants this to work so badly. Take it easy PF - it's not like it's your own money. We'll all have a common goal and a stake in this.

Ta Ta

PB

Oops, before I forget...

I was reviewing what PF was saying about team goals etc. and I found this statement a bit weird:

With that in mind we do think that the typical night at a club is a good avenue for fund raising it is not the only one. We are looking into some various alternatives but I don’t know if we’re ready to show our hand yet *wink* someone may want to up the ante.

Is there something strange going on that some of us don't know about?
Is this POLITICS (uh, oh) or just an inside joke?

I hate politics, and I have been on teams with people who were on the "inside" while myself and others were on the "outside". I didn't like that much, either. msn(u)

Oh, I so hope that is not the case. I am looking for a team where everyone can belong and I'd like to feel at home, and feel I can come back to my friends year after year.

I know there are stresses and organisational growing pains, but keep up the good work.

PB msn(k)

I know that PF and Ducky have the best intentions, some of the comments are being taken out of context and may be being read into a bit more than they actually are meaning.....the insensitivity of the POSTS I tell yah.

COST of paddling - $250
COST of a lifejacket - approx. $100 (optional)
COST of a paddle - approx. $100 (optional)
PADDLING WITH FLUID MOTION - PRICELESS

For everything else (with the dedication of the team) There are FUNDRAISERS

See you with my clothes on....

Paddle Bunny, you're right.  I did over-react.  My apologies.

Naked Paddler ... for $100 I hope you're getting a hybrid paddle and not a club paddle  :lol:

I don't know, maybe I will stick with an established team.  Seems like there's already too "politicizing" here.

Good for you, you do that.

Moving on to more important things, Duckman, just want to wish that all goes well with your recruiting!  :)

I'm sure someone's already told Paddle Bunny what the following cryptic reference meant.......

We are looking into some various alternatives but I don’t know if we’re ready to show our hand yet *wink* someone may want to up the ante.

But those from Fluid Motion and all others would be well served to read the article at the following link:

http://www.mrtimes.com/issues05/075105/news/075105nn4.html

Hi Naked!

Quite a few teams hear.

Sure seems a lot more complicated than we thought.

How much is it to go just one nite a week?


CoCo

We haven't put out the option for only one night a week CoCo, it would be best for the team to have as many out on both nights of course, but if you can only commit to one then it would hopefully be Thursday....may I ask why you would only want one night?

PM me if you wish.

I cannot tell you what the cost difference would be or if there would be one.

Well, money is a big thing and getting to Vancouver from Surrey 2 times a week in rush hour.

CoCo :twisted:

Do you still have spots left?

What team are you hoping to create? fun, semi comp or comp?

Thanks,

Sway